FDA regulation gone insane

On Friday, the FDA released its regulations of e-cigs and vaping products, and they are insane. All products released after 2007 must be FDA approved before reaching the market. This standard is absurd as that include all current products. Additionally, the costs to even apply for approval are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and take 5000 hours to review. They even acknowledge that this will kill 99% of the vaping industry as it currently stands. The corruption of the FDA on this stinks of big tobacco and pharma. Especially insane is this comes two weeks after a study from the royal physicians society revealed that vaping is in fact 95% less harmful than smoking.

 

Do you have a proof link for this?

And this?

 

Of course it is, it's no different to vaping cannabis.

They ought to be promoting e-cigs. I encourage all to boycott their regulation and purchase them from less totalitarian jurisdictions.

Also, count your blessings. In Australia you can be summarily tortured and executed for lighting up (not really, but we pay $30 a pack, plain packaging, no smoking in al fresco areas, etc). Consider yourself incredibly lucky if you smoke and don't live here.

 

Here you go.
http://amarillo.com/news/latest-new...l-hammer-down-e-cigarettes-vaping-regulations

By the way that's per product.

And also

https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/news/promote-e-cigarettes-widely-substitute-smoking-says-new-rcp-report

 

It counts for companies outside the US who want to have products in the US market as well.

 

The problem with government bureaucracies. Give them an inch, they take a yard.

 

Of course, I am prohibited from importing $40 a carton cigs into Australia, where they'll soon be $40 a pack. E-cigs are illegal to sell in my state. We and millions of others still obtain these items on the grey market.

When the law becomes totalitarian, become a criminal. Tobacco is no different to any other drug.

 

A lot of things are safer than smoking but that doesn't mean they're safe. Be glad you've got the FDA. The alternative is wild-west China style where companies will put out poison in the absence of strong regulation.

 

That's why no vaper buys china eliquid. Vaping as it stands right now is actually a great example of what the right says about a free market. A company uses IP theft, the consumers chastised them. A company uses unsafe/unclean conditions, the consumers chastised them. Also, eliquid companies and vendors were already age restricting their products and put warning labels for nicotine. The FDA is in the pocket of big tobacco and big pharma and it shows with their leniency toward cigarettes in the regulations they put out. Corruption is what we're seeing from the FDA.

Also, vaping is a safer alternative to smoking, nothing in life is completely safe, such arguments aren't being made.

 

total idiots, I think it would be funny if all those ex-smokers that now vape, started smoking again

then again, maybe that is the goal, think of all the lost tax revenue from people quitting smoking

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yeah, guess we should do the same for fast food, let's label it a drug and require all fast-food get FDA approval too

 

Here's the thing though. Vaping is much easier to drop than smoking without the added (*)(*)(*)(*) that's in cigarettes. A lot of vapers are also vaping on 0mg nicotine in their liquid. Granted that's anecdotal as it currently stands but it can be observed.

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I agree, let's hold everything to the standard of having to be completely safe before we can use/eat it. I want to see how this plays out, I really do.

 

It seems that the only purpose of a government agency these days is to grow. It's not a (D) or (R) issue as it has grown during both.

 

I understand what you're saying but can assure you the market will not prevent dangerous products from being distributed. The market isn't knowledgeable enough and can't test products before they are distributed. That's why there are regulatory agencies like the FDA.

 

The food served in fast food establishments is already approved by the FDA. They regulate production, packaging and labels, they inspect production, transport and distribution facilities and coordinate recalls and information. Without them the beef industry wouldn't give a fudge about E.coli or other pathogens as was their general practice before strong legislation made the industry safer.

 

The market has had independent labs test eliquid to make sure there's no dialectal or acytol. The rest of what goes into liquids is in fact FDA approved already, using food/pharma grade vegetable glycerin, propolyn glycol, USP nicotine, and food flavoring. The point I'm making is that the market already did the heavy lifting of ensuring that the products put out are not poison. The FDA is merely out to kill the vaping industry because they're big tobacco's and big pharma's lap dogs.

 

All evidence I've read is that e-cigs actually are one of the best tools to wean people off of smoking. I've met several people who stopped smoking by way of e-cigs. The FDA is over-reaching, and the net effect will be more conventional cigarette smokers and their second hand smoke. E-cigs have no second hand smoke.

 

You mean like the Pharm industry?

 

I said treat fast food as a drug as it effects your health, much worse for you then e-cigs ever could be imo

I am pro-choice, let people decide for temselves

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There's no research at all to back this up.

 

Not a fair comparison though I don't think. The ingredients that go into fast food and the way it is prepared in the restaurant are very regulated. The FDA and local health departments have quite a bit of say in how all that happens.

What is being suggested by others here is that the FDA has no oversight at all over vaping. Not only is that not comparable to fast food but it's the extreme opposite.

 

Yes there is, I've linked to one of the examples.

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All of what goes into eliquid is FDA approved, so why then shouldn't the eliquid itself be the same? What, the materials going into a burger are FDA approved but the burger isn't? That would make no sense.

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Yup all this is true. Which is why the only reason the FDA is imposing these harsh regulations is because they're bought by big tobacco and big pharma.

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When that oversight is meant to kill the industry, yes I oppose it.

 

no they are not, they can mix and match foods however they want... that is not heavily regulated like they want e-cigs to be

can you imagine when they released a new sandwich if they had to get FDA approval every time

it's this kinda regulations that will be the downfall of America imo, people want to be free to make their own choices in life

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The FDA are simply trying to make a buck. They reported a 4 Million dollar loss in Cigarette revenue at the height of the vaping trend. Thats a lot of tax dollars the FDA and government are not getting. It only makes sense they would try to get people back into smoking. I have been vaping for 7 years almost and have noticed that every shop I have ever been too has signs about 18+ from day one. The industry was almost self regulated by standards we set for the industry. The FDA has twice passed a bill with the front legislation being 18+.They don't want chemicals? We have been testing the juices ourselves by our standards and forcing the manufactures to change to our demands without the FDA.

Its all just a power and money grab. They will Regulate sandwiches if they have too in order to make their dollar.

 

Numerous federal agencies do this. You can't sell a product unless it has their official seal of approval literally on the label. The cost to obtain it can run into millions of dollars. Only major corporations can afford it and it is the way the marriage between corporations and government works. If you explore those corporations, their staff usually included former staffers of regulatory agencies and their relatives.