Should White Students be Allowed to Establish Student Groups Based on Race?

I would like someone to explain, without insulting me or trying to derail the conversation (you know who you are), why it would be wrong for white people to establish groups based on their racial identity. Every group on campus, except whites, has an organization that represents its racial identity. Should white people be able to have their own group, or is this a privilege limited to non-white people? If so, provide your ethical justification, using a logically valid line of reasoning.

 

Probably about time for this practice to end with race based groups.

There was more of a need up until the mid 80's, as many groups and organizations LIMITED or EXCLUDED non-white members (hell, there were golf clubs that excluded black members till the 90's.) But pendulums don't swing in just one direction and magically stop in the middle.

 

Good response.

I'm fine with pragmatic attempts to correct problems, like the ones you mentioned (I had no idea it was that bad), but I abhor ideological dogmatism one way or the other.

I probably would have been far more supportive of affirmative action policies in 1970 than I am now, which is to say that I am opposed now but probably would have supported them then.

I have opposed the pursuit of diversity for its own sake and consider myself a nationalist who, ideally, thinks homogeneous societies are better than heterogeneous ones; however, America has been a diverse country for quite some time, so it is imperative to keep the peace as much as possible. Policies, or the lack thereof, that cause division should be opposed.

 

because two wrongs do not make a right... just because one group has been allowed to form as a result of racism, does not mean we should encourage more...

the correct thing to do would be to shut down the racist groups, not expand them...

 

I actually tend to agree, but it's important to expose the hypocrisy and challenge the conventional thinking on this subject.

 

I wasn't aware that groups of Scottish ancestry, or Irish, German, Norwegian, Icelandic, Swiss, Russian, or any of a dozen other white nationalities were prohibited from forming clubs or other associations in the USA.

Or do you mean something completely different?

 

Why does "African-American" count as one united identity, but Europeans should be divided up by country? IOW, why not a "European-American association" instead of an Irish or German one?

 

Absolutely

 

We are talking about the social acceptability of the action. Currently, college campuses have dozens of race-based organizations, but very few, if any, have groups based on being white. There are Latino groups, black groups, Jewish groups, and Asian groups, but none white.

So basing it on a more narrow group, like German American, would be acceptable to you? What about a broader category? Can Mexican Americans have groups, but not Hispanics? I don't know your position, but I'd like to know.

My position is that we should probably avoid any affiliations based on race, but I believe it should be applied consistently if we are going to do it.

 

You'll have to ask them.

 

The funny thing is that what you are describing is a uniquely American "white" way of thinking.

Who you are is not necessarily dependent on the color of your skin, but rather on your own individual character, and in part with whom you associate with.

 

The same kind of reasons it would be wrong to establish groups based on any other racial identity.

That shouldn’t prevent us from recognising and acknowledging the long established systematic and social discrimination that led to many of the identity-based groups to be established in the first place and is no justification to pretend that the reasons such groups were created and the reasons offered for them continuing would apply to equivalent “white” organisations in the same way.

After all, ask yourself why white student associations weren’t established at the same time as the first black student associations were.

 

Simple. Minority groups need to work together to protect their rights from being trampled by the majority. If they don't come together as a group, they have no voice. A majority group has no such need, their sheer numbers give them power. So what, exactly, would be the purpose of a white student group in a country that is over 70% white?

 

No group should be permitted to do so. It only perpetuates the problem.

 

They are called, Alumni. The group forms after they graduate.

 

Black women make up the majority of college students.

 

To counteract the calumny and demoralization perpetrated by the Left.

 

No they don't. What a ridiculous thing to say.

 

Because whites are not a minority. But you know that.

Hell why not have a student KKK council right?

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Exactly

 

^^This

 

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2014/02/know-black-women-lead-groups-college-enrollment-watch/

Hmmm, ok?

 

They are on college campuses. Especially if they are male, Christian, and conservative, and straight. That's actually the smallest group on most college campus. But the Christian groups have been forced to allow an atheist to be elected president of their group. Wonder if a white guy can be elected the president of a college's NAACP chapter?

Sad that you will always equate a white association group to the KKK. Why the massive prejudice?

 

You do know that whites are the farthest from a monolithic group in the US right? Whites scatter in all different directions when it comes to political affiliations, religious affiliations, sports, morals, etc. You can say whites are the most diverse race of the country. So why does it matter if the country is 70% white when maybe there are 10% of whites that actually agree on mostly the same stuff?

 

Because the poster specifically addressed race based groups. So what, exactly, would be the purpose of a white student group?

 

Nationalism and culture. The first didn't exist for most of the black slaves and the second was taken from them. Ergo they created a "new" black culture that included all of them. Most Europeans emigrated after the advent of the modern state and came with a well defined nationality and imbedded culture. They would also usually settle near each other being able to maintain these traits.

Case in point:


http://www.solvangusa.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvang,_California