Our society sees gender identity disorder as something that we should tolerate. we should let men dress as women, live as women, identify as women, even if they are physically/genetically a male. we should let them get gender adjustment surgery, to create a fake vagina and a fake clitoris. someday we may even be able to transplant wombs so they can bring a fetus to term. should we be doing this? or should we instead seek psychological and medicinal treatments for GID?
This is a good question and is bound to get some strong opinions. I'm of two minds on the two different aspects of this. If someone wants to identify as a different gender I see no harm in it and I think it should be a choice a person is free to make. The surgical aspect makes me a bit uncomfortable. I think this goes too far and may even be malpractice by the medical establishment. But I'm open to other views and look forward to seeing what people think.
A badly worded poll as it is from your perspectives of absolute opposites at the most simplistic level with no variables allowed.
If you're a dude, you're free to dress up in women's clothes, mutilate your body, and call yourself a woman. Just like other people are free to say you're just a dude that dresses up in women clothing, that he mutilated his body, and that he's really not a woman. Welcome to fact based reality.
Look its a biological thing...You cant get another x chromosome to replace your y, youre not a woman. The fact that we are sinking money into surgeries so that people can pretend and parade around in a new Halloween costume is absurd. Im all for expressing yourself, but there are limits to what we should condone as a society. Expressing yourself should mean expressing your taste in music, or art, or your passion for chemistry, not any of this crazy stuff. To be fair, if it is a mental illness, then we have to treat it as such. We should be sinking money into developing a cure rather than giving surgeries out. If its not a mental illness, then what the hell are we doing....
I don't care what these people think they are, the only thing that is important is what thier sexual parts are. If they have male sex parts then they should only be allowed in the Men's bathroom. Same is true if they have female sex parts, they should only be allowed in the Women's bathroom. Why is this so hard to understand?
It is a mental disorder since their biology says one thing but their mind says another. At the same time it should be up to the person to decide if they want treatment or if they can live with it. Kind of like any mental difficulty it is all about what a person can manage.
Like I've said before in other threads about this subject: PLUMBING RULES! What's actually between your legs tells you exactly which public restroom you will go into. There is no other criterion that means a damned thing! Everything else is silly hyperliberal crap.
You are surely right when you say that this obsession with "gender identity" that conflicts with biology is a mental disorder. And I'll agree that the issue of whether a person wants to get "treatment" for this mental problem should be up to the afflicted person. BUT, all that notwithstanding, he/she/it should only be allowed to go into public bathrooms, restrooms, locker rooms that are designed for his/her/its physiological sexual/gender-specific "plumbing". Story behind the story: this is all part of a hyperliberal "1984-esque" manipulation of language, thought, and control of we, the cattle. Hey, if you can make a person doubt and disbelieve who and what he/she/it even IS, then you can control EVERYTHING....
I'm with you on this. As I've said before, my credo has always been "live and let live (and try not to eat your young)," but I really don't see any reason why the Federal government would feel a need to dictate policy on this issue, though, if we're talking about bullying, that's a different matter entirely. I don't mean to sound cold, but many of these people are essentially playing dress up. (To illustrate this point, it's been reported here that Caitlyn Jenner is now considering "transitioning" back to being male.) I'm totally cool with that, but that doesn't mean society should be obligated to play along, too. And, as far as I know, gender reassignment surgery, while not routine, perhaps, has a pretty high success rate these days.
Seems the choices are skewed. Why not just a Yes or No as 1 and 2? Why the opinion pieces after the answer? For instance, i would vote a simple Yes if it was available...but since I do not agree wiht the garbage after that, i did not vote. We dont need to humor peoples delusions as if they are fact.
Hey Doug, I haven't posted here in quite a long time (for obvious reasons), how have you been? Anyways, on this subject, I don't think my opinion is relevant. I am not a trans person, so what I think doesn't matter. If a trans person wants to get counseling and believe that is the best path for them, then thats fine. What I think doesn't matter. Similarly, if they want to have gender reassignment surgery to bring their physical body in line with their own conceptions of themselves, that is their decision and their decision alone. Neither decision impacts me, they only impact the person who is making those decisions (and those close to them), so why should I voice my opinion one way or the other? It is something busy bodies are riled up about and it distracts them from things that actually matter to them.
Why do you care what bathroom they use? The only manipulation taking place here, is the manipulation of silly people, who get all worked up about this while real problems are punching them in the face.
i have NOTHING but compassion for these people. we all remember years ago, men who felt they were a woman living in a man's body. this is an illness, not a lifestyle choice, or gender "fluidity". a man who feels that he's really a woman "trapped" in a man's body needs our help, not our enabling. people should get treatment, and learn to feel and be comfortable with who they are, not what they wish they were. however, I do believe homosexuality IS a real phenomenon, as you can't force yourself to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex. If you are a guy and like guys, that's who you are. but a woman trapped in a man's body? no sir.
Wow, Frodly! Last time I saw one of your posts you were so young your topic was when you could expect puberty. Now you probably have kids in college. Could not agree more. Same with abortion, religion in school and all the other nonsense some people want the government to spend time on. Get the government to ignore all that BS and do what they are supposed to - invest in infrastructure, make schools better and give people healthcare (they're paying enough in taxes for the Cadillac healthcare plan!).
Hiya, Frodly... good to hear from you again! My main concern is that perverts, deviants, and other mentally-ill weirdo's should be kept out of public restrooms that are properly and intelligently designated for the opposite sex. We can't possibly know exactly who is mentally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up and dangerous in our society, but mixing up the sexes in a place where they are having to interact with and/or manipulate their genitals is like pouring gasoline on a grass fire. Nobody in their right mind would even dream of ordering such a thing... but nobody could ever accuse the Obama regime of being in its "right mind".... Hint: instead of being riveted on a huge, dangerous problem like the percentage of Somali immigrants that have poured into this country with highly contagious tuberculosis after Obama has thrown open our borders to anyone and everyone, these hyperliberal Democrat morons are worried about making normal people share bathrooms with others who are so mentally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up that they don't even know for sure who or what they are.... Link: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ugees-minnesota-tested-positive-tuberculosis/ . Hey, it's all a matter of PRIORITIES!
It is certainly a mental illness. If someone thinks they are another gender, there are some serious wiring problems. Just as if I walked around pretending to be an Asian guy- telling everyone I'm Asian when I am not. Just makes me a liar.
None of their disorder can be proven. What can be proven is the 3rd and 4th sentence of my comment that you quoted.
