The Japanese were trying to make an atomic bomb, too

I read what you posted and my reply is specific to your post.

Your statement that the Japanese were hoping that the USSR could help negotiate a conditional surrender that would allow them to keep territory is a fallacy as the reality is the Japanese were well aware that the Soviet Union had absolutely no capability to invade Japan.

The United States KNEW THIS....and thus it was never a factor.

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Both Germany and Japan tried...but they were not even close.

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Both Germany and Japan tried...but they were not even close.

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And as wolf states himself, we already know this. I wanna see a thread on 2 + 2 = 4.

 

LOL!!!

On this forum there is bound to be someone to disagree!! LOL!!!

After all....we have topics here called....THE EARTH IS FLAT!!

LOL!!!

AA

 

Dropping the A b0mbs on Japan was not genocide in any way. We needed to make a point and dropping the two and only A b0mbs was the most logical way to do that. If one reads some detail history about Japan one will find out that it was the emperor who finally cried uncle as they used to say back in the olden days.

The fear of the USSR invading Japan was indeed a scary thing for the Japanese. The Japanese knew that the Soviet Russians were prone to committing genocide since they had murdered 40 -50 million people by that point in time and the japanese did not want to make 50 - 60 million.

 

Oh BS !!! You are not very versed in history or naive about Russian -Soviet history circa WWII and post WWII. The Soviet managed to get enough troops to China specifically into Manchuria in 1945. They would not have needed to cross any ocean to get to Korea since that place is connected to China and very very damn close to the Far East of the USSR. The jump from the Kamchatka Peninsula to Japan or from Korea to Japan would not be vey hard to do.

 

Exactly how would they do this with no troop carriers?

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How about you quote the exact words that POTUS BO said in Japan that were an apology !! You cannot do it because there was no apology.

You guys who constantly whine and scream and lie about apology tours are not living in the real world. e defeated the Empire of Japan 71 years ago so do you expect that POTUS BO would go there and chant "you dirty Japs, you dirty Japs, you attacked Pearl Harbor " We won they are now our allies just as the Germanic are.

Funny I do hear anyone complaining that one of our POTUS'es are apologizing to the Nazis when they go to Germania and say nice things about Germania. Not one of our POTUSes went to Germany chanting "you dirty Nazi, you dirty Nazis ".....

 

The Japanese high command did the same thing.

 

Were they all punished?

Films Media Group - Unit 731: Did Emperor Hirohito Know?
http://www.films.com/ecTitleDetail.aspx?TitleID=4215&r=
The scientists were never punished because of a deal struck between the U.S ... Everything at Unit 731 having been ... Unit 731: Did Emperor Hirohito Know? .

 

His words never uttered an apology. His mere presence was enough.

 

thank you for sharing this is great to know, peculiar it is not taught.

 

What does invading a country have to do with your ability to help negotiate?

 

Except he did not apologize, in any way. You labeling it a 'non-apology' apology is just you not being able to admit you are wrong. But please, mewl away in your pit of faux outrage.

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Very efficient post. Not an easy thing to display that much ignorant blather into 11 words.

 

His "mere presence" throws conservatives into a frenzy no matter what....

 

well said.....

 

Has there ever been a time when the Emperor or Prime Minister of Japan has ever uttered the words "Gomenasai" or 'Doumo Sumimsen' each of these words or phrases expressing the word 'Sorry' for their foul actions during WWII to either the countries they attacked or in speeches at the UN? Then there's Barack Obama that has groveled at the feet of America's enemies and claimed its America's fault.

 

Plans don't matter. Japan had no enriched nuclear material and no facilities to make it and no plane with the payload capacity to carry one.

 

FUNNY HOW LIBERAL GUILT IS RARELY RECIPROCATED: Japanese PM Has No Plans to Visit Pearl Harbor.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/234891-2/

 

How many times does Japan need to have apologized for WW2?

 

Seriously?

Are you actually asking m this?

OK...ask yourself....if you KNEW another nations threats could not be carried out upon you.....and you KNEW the other nation that was about to wipe you out and is demanding your unconditional surrender also KNOWS this 3rd Nation in this case....THE SOVIET UNION....has absolutely no way of invading you.

Then how do YOU think that would effect negotiations!!?? LOL!!

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That's not relevant in this case, because the important detail was that the Soviets, who previously had a neutral stance toward Japan and who the Japanese High Command were hoping could help them negotiate, were absolutely not going to be negotiating because they were now hostile to Japan.

It wasn't about military force at all, it was about possible avenues of diplomacy. The Japanese knew that they didn't have enough resources or personnel to keep all of their territory while under siege from the allies. The High Command was trying to find the end that would be best for them, and they realized it wasn't happening.

Read more in this article.

 

The Japanese KNEW that the United States was not going to stop until we got Unconditional Surrender.

When we invaded Okinawa April 1st to June 22nd over 287,000 U.S. Troops of the Tenth Army took the island and the Japanese were under NO ILLUSIONS that we fully intended to take all of Japan.

At this point the Japanese also knew that the idea that the Soviet's would enter the war before the U.S. Military took Japan was a fallacy.

The threat of a Soviet invasion of Japan was NEVER a consideration.

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different countries teach different history

 

Stop lying wolf. Obama did not apologize. Indeed, he said that nations have a right to defend themselves.

People are gonna believe what they wanna believe, I guess. I prefer facts. Oh well. Have fun.

 

Totally not an issue; it's speculation that it would have been used if developed.
In the same vein it could be argued that someone should have dropped it on us to prevent us from using it on Japan...