Personally I don't care for the .223. We do have a Microtec bullpup 5.56 (basically the same as .223) with up to 42 round magazine for offshore boating safety, but the main potential firepower is .308. Have a 50 cal too if really needed plus M1 30.06 due to high of ammo options in that caliber. The long ranger with precision is a Weatherby 300 mag bolt action, but that's worthless on a rocking boat. The advantage of a bullpup is it is short for barrel length. The recoil of a .223/5.56 is low, making it suitable for a small person.
Im not sure where you get your info from. An AR15 in .223 caliber is a round that is not powerful enough for big game like deer. We shoot wild hogs with them and they are perfect for it. We hunt may small game animals here with AR-15s and other carbine rifles. The reason that the Assault Rifle ban is a concern to those that are pro 2A is that our government might be able to convince the not so gun educated public that these are weapons of war and should not be in civilian hands. They go after the AR because of it's looks and it is the easiest to vilify, therefore it is the easiest to get the public to accept the ban. They could never do this to handguns, even though people use pistols to kill waaaay more often than these rifles.
************************************************* And I forgot to add, your statement: " I would venture to guess that very few members here have even fired one, let alone own one." Is another potentially false statement, I personally was building AR-15s way before they so were popular, we used lots of surplus Military parts, pre forward assist stuff, from surplus M-16 parts kits, Before BATFE got it's panties in a bunch over mixing M-16 parts in with Semiautomatic rifles. I would think people not familiar with the AR might be fewer than you think.
The AR-15 was designed for U.S. Air Force Gen. Curtis LeMay who wanted a replacement for the M-1 carbine. While the U.S. Army and Marine Corps were replacing the M-1 Garand with the M-14, Gen. LeMay realized that the M-14 like the M-1 Garand kicked like a mule and it was to much of a man's rifle for his airmen to handle, So Gen. Lemay asked Eugene Stoner (USMC ret.) who was working at the time with Armalite to come up with a pea shooter for his airmen. Now Eugene had already designed the AR-10 that was chambered for the Winchester .308 (7.62X51) but that bullet was a man stopper and to much of a bullet for airmen to handle. So Eugene jumped in his Ford F-150 and went on a snoop and poop mission, destination the SAC base out in Riverside, California, March Air Force Base. What Eugene saw was that the base had a ground hog and jack rabbit problem. B-52's were sucking up jack rabbits into it jet engine intakes and the Air Police were having a hell of a time shooting jack rabbits with their M-1 carbines. So Eugene jumped in his Ford F-150 and drove where varmint shooter go to shoot varmints, Ft. Tejon about 90 miles north of L.A. Eugene noticed the rifle of choice for shooting ground hogs was a rifle chambered for the Remington .222. So Eugene jumped in his Ford F-150 and drove back to Armalite and called Remington and said could you add a fraction of a millimeter in the length of the .222 so it could be loaded with a few more grains of gunpowder so it could cycle a semi auto rifle ? The Remington varmint cartridge .223 (5.56X45) was born. Eugene then took the AR-10 and rechambered the rifle for the varmint cartridge the Remington .223 (5.56X45) and the AR-15 was born. So now you know what the the AR-15 was designed for.
If America ever lost power for an extensive period of time, say weeks. Chaos would descend quickly. There aren't enough police to protect every single citizen, so at some point the citizen has to take matters into their own hands and defend themselves. A military style rifle can provide personal protection. Think of it as insurance. Do you buy car insurance and then go looking to get into an accident so you can use it? Most mentally well-adjusted people lawfully obtain and own a firearm hoping they never have to use it against another person. However if the need arises, you've got it there as a form of insurance. Maybe you don't like guns around the house, maybe you have kids or your wife hates guns, and that's fine. You don't think you'll ever need the insurance of having the gun around for self / family protection. Why take away that right for others who want the insurance? There are a lot of bad elements out there who would take advantage during a natural or man-made disaster. They will loot, and God knows what else. Law enforcement can't respond to everything because odds are they would be worried about protecting their own family. Yeah you could wait for the National Guard I suppose, maybe you don't think a gun will ever be necessary to protect yourself. Why take away another's right to insure themselves of some form of self / family protection and a military type semi-automatic rifle can be used for this purpose. Personally, I commend those who take the initiative to think about and plan for a worst case scenario and this includes not just keeping adequate water and food supplies to last at least a few weeks, but also a firearm like an AR-15.
Lets be clear, they aren't "anti-gun", they are anti-protection. The only way to rid the American population of guns is by a force of people with guns under the control of the government. So what they really are, are pro-tyrannicals with guns.
A very nice story. The truth however, was a bit more academic and simple. The DOD simply pushed for what they thought better specs as far as a new battle rifle. The M-14 was always a good Battle rifle, I enjoyed firing it in full auto.
I thought you knew stuff. Nope. There are many calibers smaller than .223. The .204 Ruger is quite popular for small critters and accuracy competition. .17 is very popular, in both rim fire and center fire. Back when P. O. Ackley was researching the potential of small calibers, he went as small as .12 cal. and used it to take Antelope on Catalina Island. I hope you live long. You have much to learn. Also, how can a trip to Home Depot get a larger magazine for anything? It's impossible to simply extend the length of a magazine. As I said, you have so much to learn.
He knows what hes doing. They work on the fears of the left cause they know the left is weak and wont retaliate, but instead take out their fears on the rest of us by trying to ban guns and making more restrictions. Muslims tried to go for conservatives at the "draw Muhammad" rally, and got exactly 0 kills/wounded but themselves. They go for soft targets and soft minded politicians that will try to weaken America instead of taking the fight to the problem.
When the AR was limited to 5.56 NATO, I would have agreed wholeheartedly with your complete statement, however, since other better suited hunting calibers are available, not so much, .300 Blackout available as subsonic and supersonic is good for Deer and superior to .30-30, and 6.5 Creedmore among others making it a super platform. The AR is a great hunting rifle, shotguns are needed to compliment, and handguns.
You gun grabbers crack me up, read the second amendment. Shall not be infringed. Take that to the bank son.
There were a lot of politics involved in adopting the M-16. If you remember at the time Robert McNamara was the Secretary of Defense the father of the Ford Edsel one of JFK's Harvard buddies known as the "Young and Brightest" the same not so bright who got us in a shooting war in Southeast Asia, McNamara wanted to change the military, first he took away the Marines sage green cotton herringbone utility uniform and Marines were soon wearing the Army's olive drab fatigues. All branches of the service were issued navy black leather oxfords as their dress shoes. Good bye "brown shoe navy." (Naval aviators were the brown shoe navy) Then McNamara forced the M-16 onto the Army and Marine Corps. Then to top it off a little liberal social engineering. McNamara's Moron Corps (Project 100,000) I liked the M-14, it could really reach out and touch someone. I served in the Corps (69-71) and back then the Corps had three service rifles, the M-1 Garand, M-14 and the M-16 A1. All Fleet Marine Force units were issued the M-14. All Marine security units, ship detachments and Marine Barracks on naval bases and stations were issued the M-1 Garand. All Marines in Vietnam were issued the M-16 A1. Old sea story from the 60's and 70's. (Not my sea story) I showed up at Marine Corps boot camp at MCRD San Diego. They issued me a M-14. I qualified at the rifle range at Edson Range, Camp Pendleton with the M-14. I qualified as expert. Got orders for the Marine Barracks at the Seal Beach Naval Weapons Station, they issued me the M-1 Garand. Requalified at the El Toro Marine Corps Air Station rifle range with the M-1 Garand. I qualified as expert. I got my WESTPAC order for Vietnam. When I arrived in the RVN they issued me the M-16 A1. I qualified by shooting Charley.
this is really dishonest and factually barren. semi automatic weapons designed for mass murder? see this is why we have no respect for the bannerrhoid arguments. They are based on lies and false information. you are not being truthful as to why people buy semi auto rifles and since all rifles are used in less murders than say baseball bats, your argument is beyond specious. I don't care what you need-you are in no position to tell anyone else what they need.
a semi auto shotgun-with a 18 inch barrel loaded with #4 buckshot is the deadliest close quarters weapon you can own-and that includes sub machine guns. Its why POINT men in Nam carried shotguns. a #4 buckshot round has 30+ lethal projectiles in it. a 18 inch Semi auto will hold 4-5 such shells-maybe up to 6. that is 180 lethal projectiles in 3 seconds.
Please explain why? All depends on what you are hunting, and the conditions you are hunting in. The AR-15 can be configured (with different caliber options) to hunt anything from prairie dogs to moose. It's used in precision shooting matches--Service Rifle matches, and three gun competitions, for example. That is true.
Don't forget tecoyah also said; ( In reference to the AR-15 ) "I would venture to guess that very few members here have even fired one, let alone own one." Do you agree with that statement ???
Right. By rough estimates there are between 20 to 40 million AR's in the country and what............6 have been used in high profile mass killings. What percentage would that be? The whole rant of banning these rifles, which will never happen is based in ignorant emotions.
Right now, there is no way to know for a certainty how many AR rifles are currently in existence, people are making off paper lowers by the thousands every day, and lots of people are burying rifles against a ban too.....
which one killed the most people? again, i have yet to read a reasonable response. What is the purpose of s semi-automatic weapon like the AR-15? Kill as many things as you can in the least amount of time. There is absolutely no need for any hunter of home owner to want a weapon that can fire bullet as fast as you can press the trigger... No way this guy would've killed so many people with a gun that wasn't automatic or semi-automatic... Is it a coincidence that the newton, sandy hook, orlando aurora all used similar weapons? Why didn't they use a firearm that required re-cocking, re-loading? cause it wouldn't have caused the same damage.. there is really is no good reason for these weapons to be available for sale. There are limits, can a person own a nuclear weapon? it's and extreme case but goes to show there are limits and the line has to be drawn in the sand... semi-automatic weapons are designed to kill in numbers and fast...
They have been around for over 100 years. Why do you suppose they are a problem now? The banners focus on it as a pacifier for their own failure of progressive destruction of the country. The last AWB made no difference according to government so why do you think it would now. It won't but that is not the goal.
And yet they are used for police officers for such purposes. The military even uses the M4 and M4A1 carbine for close quarter combat, and it is barely two inches shorter than the AR-15. If the professionals are using it for close quarter purposes, it cannot be horrible for said purposes.
