Stanford Rape Case:Doesn't modern day, 3rd wave feminism have to share some blame?

I tried to find the link that I read this morning about it, but I can't find it now. However, I did find this . . . Almost all of the information says that, for a man, sex is quite difficult when they are drinking too much.

http://www.mensfitness.com/women/sex-tips/why-alcohol-sucks-for-sex

 

I think you're having a difficult time grasping the difference between drunk sex and passed out rape.

 

had the girl that raped me got pregnant, she probably would of been allowed to keep the child and I pay child support for 18 years... so yes, not all things are equal, but rape is always rape, and always wrong, regardless of the gender - I am not disagree with you.. your right, but also many men are falsely accused and not believed too, works both ways.. the way things are are not the way they they should always be on any side

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All the studies say that alcohol adversely affects the ability to get an erection, unless it's only a couple/few drinks. Once a man reaches a certain level of "drunkenness" it is normally difficult for him to achieve and maintain an erection because alcohol decreases blood flow. I don't know what it is you are disagreeing about.

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MANY men are falsely accused? I don't know about the numbers of false accusations compared to real accusations would amount to "many." It happens most definitely, but women are always taking a risk by making such claims, even when they are real never mind false.

 

happens a lot, just look at Crystal ManGum..... you can get out of gettign a drug or alchol test, all you have to do is claim you were raped and the police can no longer test you

why can't they test you, because there are some truths they do not want to help get into the court room, now the falsely accused, they would test them in a heart beat

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That doesn't mean it happens a lot, and I would say that false rape accusations do not occur on a "frequent" basis.

I don't know what drug or alcohol testing has to do with rape. Care to elaborate?

 

You're not paying attention. Those studies deal with conscious men. The biology of an erection is very different conscious vs unconscious.

 

No, the affects of alcohol are the same whether you are unconscious or not. Alcohol is a depressant. It's just common sense, for goodness sake!

 

so true, reminds me of the movies where the guy keeps harassing a women, telling her he loves her and will not leave her alone.... yea, that works in the movies with someone like Brad Pitt

in reality it's stalking and no women wants a man (or visa versa) doing that if she has told them to leave her alone already repeatedly

part of the problem I think is many rapist do think they are "gods gift" to men or women and they are not

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This is how modern feminists have given all feminists a bad name. If there is something that challenges their beliefs they refuse to listen.

There are a lot of goings on in both examples. But in an unconscious spontaneous erection instead of being stimulated by imagry or touch (which is hampered by depressants) it is being stimulated by a relaxed state and heighened levels of testosterone. (sober or drunk) A man's testosterone levels peak between 4 and 6 am. As spontaneous erections occur because of a relaxed stste and as testostrone levels begin to rise the depressant (alcohol) can actually enhance the erection.

 

Being passed out from alcohol is NOT the same as sleeping. The alcohol doesn't suddenly lose it's effects because you passed out. And alcohol, as a depressant and because it decreases blood flow, whether you are passed out or still awake, is still going to negatively affect a man's ability to achieve and maintain an erection. It may happen, but that doesn't mean it's common or that it is going to be fully erect.

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Why don't you post ONE link to back up your assertions. From everything I've read, you are wrong.

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I'm not a "feminist" either. Don't label me.

 

Are you having a comprehension problem? I just explained exactly how depresants actually aid spontaneous erections. As a person's blood pressure heart rate and desperation decrease when they sleep you aught to not worry about alcohol 'slowing' blood flow as a factor against spontaneous erections.

 

But you are wrong.

MYTH: ALCOHOL IS A STIMULANT.
Alcohol is a depressant — it sedates the central nervous system. One of the first areas of the brain to be affected is the cerebral cortex, which controls judgment, self-control and inhibitions. The depression on this part of the brain may result in excitable behavior, as inhibitions are lost9.

MYTH: ALCOHOL IS AN APHRODISIAC.
Alcohol reduces inhibitions and may stimulate your interest in sex, but it reduces your ability to perform, including a man's ability to maintain an erection and both genders' ability to achieve orgasm10.

http://www.controltonight.com/effects-of-alcohol/myths

Now, the effects of alcohol do NOT just disappear because you passed out. Your central nervous system is still affected by the depressant effects of alcohol.

 

Read my posts again. There is a difference in the biology between conscious and spontaneous erections. I've explained several times exactly how alcohol being a depressant helps the man's ability to have a spontaneous unconscious erection. What part of that do you not get?

 

All of the data disagrees with your beliefs. What credentials do you have that make you an expert? I've posted the studies by experts. Now post a link to something other than your opinion, because the fact of the matter is that the effects of alcohol on the central nervous system do not suddenly disappear because you passed out.

 

The links you provided were all for concious drunk people. As I said there is a difference. And I have not had the time to dig up the source material to show us. I just assumed that you had the ability to think openly to see what I was saying. I'll dig it up when I have the time.

 

I do think openly. Openly enough to know that a drug that affects the central nervous system doesn't suddenly cease to affect the central nervous system because the person passed out. Lol.

 

I very deliberately didn't refer to gender in my description. I doesn't make any difference (at least not ethically).

I thought I was clear, I don't see a single package of blame to split up. A rapist who targets a helpless victim is entirely responsibility for their crime and a person who voluntarily gets so drunk that they pass out is entirely responsible for their condition. If a rapist targets someone who has passed out drunk, the two sets of responsibility remain separate and unchanged.

No more or less than you would if you'd got yourself in that condition but had been lucky enough not to suffer any serious consequences or if you suffered an entirely different serious consequence. Why is it only when the drunk person is raped that their responsibility is raised?

 

you very deliberately snipped my post to make it look like I was blaming a drunk women victim rather then a drunk women rapist for the rape.... I was just making it clear that was not the case


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I believe changing my ways prevented what happened to me from ever happening again...

drinking is a choice.... illness beyond your control is not a choice

though even then.... some will blame the victim of cancer for their cancer....

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Fair enough in principle but in reality it is the girl that gets raped and or pregnant and she is the one that needs to take personal responsibility for her own body

 

Can't you read ? I said it. Now having said that the girl needs to be aware that there are guys out there that will take advantage of her if they can so she needs to not put herself into a dangerous situation. War is evil and wrong too but would you suggest we don't have a military and just hope every other country feels like we do?

 

If you get on a car with an obviously drunk driver and wind up in a. Wreck do you not share some responsibility for winding up in a wreck?

 

And I never said that alcohols effects stop just because someone is passed out. What I said is the stimulus for an erection after loss of consciousness is different. The mecanisim is the same in both instances and works in both instances. But the stimulus is different.

 

I agree the kid got off too easy but not all rape is equal. A drunk partying girl passing out after flirting with guys is different than a woman jogging down the street and getting drug into the bushes and brutally raped and the punishments should not be the same