Why are assault weapons so deadly?

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  1. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    "Civilian semiautomatic assault weapons incorporate all of the functional design features that make assault weapons so deadly. They are arguably more deadly than military versions, because most experts agree that semiautomatic fire is more accurate than automatic fire....

    “ 'High-capacity' detachable ammunition magazines that hold as many as 100 rounds of ammunition. 'This allows the high volume of fire critical to the "storm gun" concept.'21

    "A rear pistol grip (handle), including so-called 'thumb-hole stocks' and magazines that function like pistol grips.

    "A forward grip or barrel shroud. Forward grips (located under the barrel or the forward stock) 'give a shooter greater control over a weapon during recoil.'22 Forward grips and barrel shrouds also make it possible to hold the gun with the non-trigger hand, even
    through the barrel gets extremely hot from firing multiple rounds.

    "These design features create the ability to quickly lay down a high volume of fire, making semiautomatic assault weapons a particularly dangerous addition to the civilian gun market. They explain why assault weapons are favored by terrorists, mass killers, and violent criminals, and they distinguish such weapons from true hunting and target guns.

    "Deliberate, aimed fire from the shoulder may be more accurate than the spray-firing for which assault weapons were designed. But mass murderers and other violent criminals drawn to assault weapons are not after marksmanship medals. They want to kill or maim as many people as possible in as short a time as possible—the exact job for which the semiautomatic assault weapon was designed."
    http://www.vpc.org/studies/Sig Sauer Backgrounder.pdf

    So assault weapons are so deadly basically because they can accept high capacity magazines, and they make it easy to spray fire without aiming accurately.

    The gun lobby claims that the features which distinguish assault weapons from ordinary firearms are only cosmetic. Assault weapons are identical to military assault rifles (except for full auto and a gun may actually be more deadly in semi-auto mode). So these "cosmetic" features have been copied from actual guns that soldiers use in combat. So by the gun lobby's logic (or lack of it), the US military provides soldiers with guns that have lots of scary looking features but have no functional use.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know you would call this an assault rifle

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    but is this an assault rifle?

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    or how about this it is black like an assault rifle

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    or how about this one it has a scope like you would see on a hunting rifle

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  3. Regular Joe

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    First, there is no such thing as a "semi auto assault weapon". Real assault weapons don't even include small arms with non exploding projectiles.
    Second, the AR 15 is not a weapon at all, unless and until it is used as such. Much like your car, or a knife, or your belt.
    I have AR's, and Glocks, and car, and belts and knives, but I have no weapons at all.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    An assault weapon is any gun that looks scary...kind of goes with assault spiders, assault snakes....
     
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    Total BS. Military weapons have select fire. Depending upon the type and function, military small arms default to either semi or full auto modes.
    I've never fired a rifle, shotgun or carbine without a hand guard. All weapons have them.
    Pistol grips really do one thing for a weapon. They enable you to control the weapon with one hand while using the other to do something else, like throwing a grenade. Good fully automatic weapons like the BAR, M2 carbine and PPSh didn't have them and didn't lose a thing by not having them.
    And since when is "spray fire" whatever that is ( I have to assume suppressive fire) easier with a semi? Did you get that from a comic book? Handling of full auto weapons depends upon a lot of factors, for instance design, weight, cyclic rate of fire and caliber. For instance the old AK 47, really an AKM is a weapon meant to be used on full auto. The M16 was not, but both had semi and full capabilities.
    Point shooting a semi-auto weapon is a skill set. You can and will miss at close range. Don't believe me? Try it with a shotgun up close and see.
    You also don't know the first thing about magazines or how they work. You just read something from a lib talking point and are now a lib expert, meaning you know just about nothing while pretending to know everything.
    There's also no such thing as a semi-auto assault weapon. They don't exist. All have some sort of full auto capability.
    You simply have no idea of what you're talking about.
     
  6. Zorro

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    "We need to do some soul searching" says the president who gave guns to Mexican drug cartels and Garland Islamic terrorist Nadir Soofi.

    https://twitter.com/DLoesch
     
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    Actually they aren't. Pistols are used far more than rifles of any kind. In fact pistols are used more often in mass shootings than the "give-liberals-nightmares assault" rifles. Get over it now.
     
  8. DoctorWho

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    First Off, there is no GUN LOBBY, there is a Tobacco Lobby, it only consists ONLY of Tobacco Companies and Tobacco Interests,
    There are no Tobacco users or smokers / members.

    The NRA consisting of Members of the General Shooting Public, Any member in good standing can be voted in as a Member of the board of Directors.

    Assault Weapons are a Device the Gun Bannerrhoid movement uses to skunk Guns they do not like, these common ordinary rifles are only cosmetically similar to their Military counterparts, the Anti Gun Clack constantly uses smoke and mirrors and falsehoods so they can manipulate the ignorant and unsuspecting public to approve of their true objective, a Total Gun Ban,
    And only by distorting the truth, and resorting to out & out lies, can the Bannerrhoids be successful.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why are 'assault weapons' so deadly?

    Because humans are operating them? Because like other firearms they were designed to be deadly?
     
  10. Reality

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    You can't SPRAY with a semi auto.
     
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    We know that, but he doesn't. If you read his article, he says that semi-auto is more dangerous till it's not. It's clearly obvious he has no knowledge, must less training.
     
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    Don't forget Salt Weapons & Pepper Weapons !!!

    Moar People die from Diet related illnesses than die from getting shot by firearms !

    - - - Updated - - -

    However, I am sure he foams at the mouth and sprays spit everywhere, As he crows his false ideas regarding gun control !
     
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    Guy down here killed 7 including two police officers with a Ruger Mini 14. Not considered a "assault rifle". More of a camp gun.
     
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    :roflol:
    Someone does not realize that he just argued against himself.
    :roflol:
     
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    Semi-automatic rifles (rifles of all kinds for that matter) are very rarely used in murders. In 2014 (last year the FBI has complete data for), there were 248 murders involving rifles out of the 8,124 gun murders and 11,961 total murders (In % terms, rifles were used in 3% of gun murders, and 2% of total murders). Rifles are not major problems in the U.S realistically speaking.


    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls
     
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    'Assault weapons' are the LEAST used weapon to commit murder.
     
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    You took two statements out of context. It would depend on how far away the victims are from the shooter.
     
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    We have been over this time and time again, Galileo, and yet every single time, you refuse to admit that your talking points are incorrect, and have no bearing in reality. We have been over this multiple times not only here, but on the previous forum, and they are no more accurate now than they were previously.

    How many times must we go over this before you stop? How many times must the position that was assigned to you, be thoroughly debunked before you cease bringing it up any further?

    The magazine is not in any way an integral component of the firearm. It is an entirely separate component.

    Which exists because the stock of modern semi-automatic rifles is inline with the rest of the construction, rather than offset with a comb that can be grasped.

    The magazine and magazine well also serves as a forward grip on most semi-automatic rifles.

    Then you wish for people to injure themselves when handling a firearm, correct?

    Hunting and target use has been eliminated by the supreme court in Heller and again in McDonald when they codified, into law, that the second amendment is related to matters of personal defense. A firearm does not have to be useful for hunting for it to be legal to own and use.

    A fact that cannot be demonstrated. There is no evidence of any semi-automatic firearm being designed in a way to allow for the rapid discharge of multiple rounds in an inaccurate manner.

    The same group that advocated lying to the public in order to utilize their confusion and stupidity to advance political agendas.

    Ad per usual, neither you, nor anyone else, can explain why these features are not needed by the general public. If you are not going to try, then simply stop.
     
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    Meaning semi-automatic firearms are simultaneously accurate and inaccurate, depending entirely on how it is used, and whether or not it is aimed. Meaning they are no different from any other firearm on the market.
     
  23. Galileo

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    So while one hand is firing the weapon the other hand can grab a magazine to reload so that there will be more victims. A barrel shroud protects the shooter's hand from being burned by the hot barrel due to continuous fire thus making it easier for the shooter to kill more people. A forward grip helps minimize recoil thus making it easy to fire the gun a faster rate and kill more victims.

    It's easier with certain kinds of semiautomatics compared to other kinds of semiautomatics that traditionally been used for hunting and sport. Try not to take things out of context.

    You can play your word games all you want but that won't change the fact that US law has a history of recognizing the existence of such weapons.

    "The Bush Administration today slapped a permanent import ban on 43 types of assault-style firearms whose shipment into the country has been suspended since spring.... The Gun Control Act of 1968 bans the importation of weapons that are not used for legitimate sporting purposes.... 43 of the weapons were classified officially as semiautomatic assault rifles and as such were barred from further importation."
    http://articles.latimes.com/1989-07-07/news/mn-3526_1_assault-weapons
     
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    An injured mass murderer is more easily overpowered and subdued.
     
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    The point is that semiautomatic assault rifles can be more deadly at close range than traditional sporting firearms. At close range accuracy matters less.
     

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