CIA Director Brennan: ISIS Decimated Under Bush – Grew 4,400% Under Obama

Thanks.

I'm not sure what more Obama could have done to reign in Maliki, given that Obama came to power after Iraq was sovereign and that Maliki was firmly set on his direction of disenfranchising Sunnis.

 

Are you contradicting the director of the CIA? I think he knows more than you.

 

David patreus testified

The security agreement negotiated by bush took us troops out of combat roles

 

Maliki was simply following Obamas lead. 2008-2010 Obama was running around with his 60 vote Senate telling the press and through it the world when asked about working with the republican minority thar elections have consequences. Maliki simply treated the minority the same way Obama did.

 

Hey another liberal thinks they know better than the head of the CIA.

 

Really? What a "success". It is now overrun by ISIS who is inciting deadly civilian slaughters in the US. If that was a "success" what would have defined a "failure"?

In the immediate aftermath of this same failure in Iraq? How fkn dumb is Hillary anyway?

Like the ones that were "guarding" our diplomatic compound and then disappeared as soon as the attack started?

Did Hillary or Barack ever figure that assessing that might be a good idea before being complicit in murder of Libya's leader?

How many were murdered in the year before we had our "smashing success" and how many have died since?

You make it sound like a slight taste difference over shoes. I have a crazy idea... HOW ABOUT WE QUIT STICKING OUR FKN MILITARY INTO EVERY DAMN THING THAT POPS UP? How many times do we have to (*)(*)(*)(*) everything up before we learn to quit getting our military involved with every damn thing that happens in the world? Are you really dumb enough to think we are good at this? Holy (*)(*)(*)(*). What does it take for you to learn that we royally screw the pooch every time we step off the porch?

77% of the world arms trade is supplied by the US. Obama even arranged to supply the Mexican drug cartels and these guns have killed American Law enforcement, Mexicans and were even used in an attempted terrorist attack.

The middle of "who"?

She has never once initially opposed a military intervention, she is always for it, and then when it blows up, tries to revise her stance. We have troops in 150 countries. This strikes you as "normal"? She strikes you as "middle of the road"? On what the hell road? And why on earth do you want to stay on this "road"?

Holy Crap!

 

If Bush were have been a Democrat, he would have resorted to voter fraud in Iraq just like we see Democrats do in America and Maliki would have never been elected under a democratic process.

 

Once again Maliki is a creation of the Bush administration. Your criticism is that Obama didn't intervene with the Parliamentary elections in Iraq and stop Maliki from taking power. It's really the responsibility of Iraq and the election rules they set up to make the determination. This was a sovereign government. The Iraqi 2010 elections took months for the participants to iron out who was supposed to be Prime Minister. There was incredible confusion and infighting between different religious/political factions. It was a mess. We were to be out of Iraq by 2011. The citizens in Iraq hated us profoundly even when sacrificing our own soldiers to protect them.. You some how think that if we had intervened in the election and chosen for or pushed for our own favorite PM to take power we would have been loved by the Iraqis. We let sovereign nations run there own elections and chose there own leaders even if we don't like the results. Any U.S. backed government in an election this profoundly decisive would have opened the door for Iraqi factions to claim that it was merely a U.S puppet government. This is a country that would not wave immunity for U.S. soldiers fighting on their behalf. You have offered zero proof that an alternative government to the Malicki government would have kept ISIS forces from overrunning Iraq.

 

You can't, but you can certainly attribute and correlate Obama's inept and premature withdrawal from Iraq for the precipitous rise of AQI and ISIS.

 

Who knows, considering the guy who actually won did have BOTH Sunni and Shi'ia support as opposed to Maliki who only had Shi'ia support.

 

It's so noisy I can't hear what he's saying you'll need to post a transcript.

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Which means ISIS/ISIL grew up during Obama's administration.

 

As people have pointed out, ISIS as a group didn't really exist until they were given an opportunity to grow because of the Iraq destabilization.

 

That and the "civil" war in Syria.

 

I think you'd have to take that up with the head of the CIA, he's the one that made the claim.

 

Actually, the Iraqi people hated the Iraqi police and military. They liked having us around, because if it was just the Iraqi's there alone they would rob the Iraqi people. They trusted us far more than their own people. I don't know where you get your info from. They probably started liking us a lot less when we abandoned them and allowed ISIS to fill the power vacuum we created.

 

I'm disputing it on this forum, where it's being discussed. People are free to agree or disagree with my expert analysis!

 

Gottcha!

I had no idea you were an expert on this, my bad.

 

How many ISIS were there before Bush?

 

All us experts keep it low key

 

Like you, I have no national security clearance or a clue!
But you'd think the head of the CIA does, right?

 

I assume you're a Sanders voter.

We've had troops stationed all over the world for a long time now. So, yes that is normal. I think the most you can say is that under Obama we didn't retract as much as you want.

And, yes I'd like to see our arms trade reduced hugely.

 

I am a Sanders voter, and no, it's not "normal" at all.

And now after screwing the pooch in Iraq and Libya, these clowns have a hard on to dispose of Assad. Do these these dumb fkrs ever learn a damn thing?

Could our Congress be more useless? It is not the President that has the authority to commit the US to war, it is the Congress. Congress needs to draft an authorization of war with Syria, and then VOTE IT DOWN. With a war authorization defeated, let's see if what Obama does then.

But our President is warmonger, the world's biggest arms supplier and our Congress is a collection of wimps.

 

Them troops can go to hell, with their neo-colonial political agenda.
That entire invasion of Iraq cost 100.000's of Iraqi lives in a rather sable country.
Look at it now... totally destroyed. Thank US, Bush and the US army.
Thanks for creating ISIS, thanks for flooding Europe with millions of refugees.
Thanks for the terror strikes in Europe.

Thanks a lot.

 

Oh just turn up the volume. Also I'm surprised you need to hear it. You must be highly ignorant about Bush Jr. He's the one who requested that this happen. On the video he praises those rebelling in Syria. But not surprising if you're in the know. Lol


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24718339.html

"On Nov. 6, 2003, then President George W. Bush gave a major foreign policy address in which he called for the spread of democracy across the Middle East, an appeal that seems to be resonating in this year of Arab Spring revolts. Yet less than three years after leaving office, Bush gets little credit for having inspired them".

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304192704577406612351805018

"By George W. Bush
May 17, 2012 6:56 p.m. ET

These are extraordinary times in the history of freedom. In the Arab Spring, we have seen the broadest challenge to authoritarian rule since the collapse of Soviet communism. The idea that Arab peoples are somehow content with oppression has been discredited forever."

You should have known this already. Why not read up on modern Middle East events and our role in it so that way you won't ask ridiculous questions

 

You're welcome. And next time you want us to pull your ass out of out of the fire when your pissant country is invaded, you can send us one quarter of your GDP to pay us for the help before we lift a finger.

Suck on that loudly.