Would YOU let the 50 Orlando gays into heaven?

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Reality is the god almighty whose son, i.e.; Truth, warned us all against the dangers of sexual promiscuity.
     
  2. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    U r hard headed even as you Islamic patriarchs killing sexually provocative Gays right before u r eyes.
    The worst is yet to come if they get a dirty A-bomb into Europe or America.

    Rev. 17:11 And the beast, (a brazen and corrupt, sexually misdirected economic system: [Dan 3:1-5]), that was until Rome), and is not (for a thousand years of Monasticism under Christ), even he is the eighth, (the Global Economy), and is of the seven, (Western Culture), and goeth into (Historical ignominy), perdition.
     
  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    According to Revelation chapter 21 the old heaven will pass away and the "saved souls" will move into the giant golden cube, but only if they can pass through one of the twelve gates of the twelve tribes of Israel. So if you aren't a member you won't get in.

    Besides, In John 3:13 Jesus said that he is the only one who has ever gone to heaven.
     
  4. perdidochas

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    I don't know enough about them to be able to answer that intelligently. I'm just glad it's not my job--that's God's job--He does have the information necessary to judge them.
     
  5. Maccabee

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    1. In the very first verse it says "And I saw a new HEAVEN and a new earth: for the first heaven and first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." And the rest of the chapter talks about a new Jerusalem which is the cube you're talking about.

    2. In verse 24 it says "And the NATIONS of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it." So there isn't any qualifier to enter the city other than you're saved.

    It says "And no man HATH ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." This is past tense. He's speaking about people before his time on earth. As of that time the righteous are in a holding place until he died on the cross.
     
  6. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The good thing about ethnocentric Middle Eastern religious fairy tales is that people can put whatever spin they want on them since the fairy tales are all based on imagination and not reality.
     
  7. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    So because my interpretation differs from yours it automatically means its a fairy tale and I'm putting my own spin to it? Why not instead point out the flaws of "my spin"? Unless this is supposed to be some clever way of admitting defeat.
     
  8. ABikerSailor

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    You know...................why would a loving God reject one of His creations just because they had a glitch in their wiring? Scientists and doctors have proven by doing brain imaging that the brains of gay males are remarkably similar in structure to that of straight females, and the brains of gay females are remarkably similar in structure to that of straight males?

    Incidentally................the structure of straight males and straight females is very different. Why would God reject someone that He built that way? Remember................you don't get to determine how your brain is built. God does.

    Google "gay brain structure" sometime. You'll be surprised at what you find that scientists and doctors have proven.
     
  9. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Even the Bible says that a person shouldn't believe in Jewish fairy tales.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roll: yes in the gay section :roflol:
     
  11. Arkie

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    This is a bait thread. If someone says yes, that means they don't believe in Jesus or His teachings. If they say no, they are a bigot and a bible thumper.
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    I'll pass.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    exactly thus my sarcasm :grin:
     
  13. FreedomSeeker

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    We'll take that as a "no, I don't love humanity enough to let gays into heaven" (if you had that ability.) There is a better way, my friend - to say "yes, I'd let them into heaven because I love them so much - I love them the way god made them". You can do better, I know you can, I believe in you. Let love triumph over your hatred of innocent people (gays.)

    Have a great day.
     
  14. FreedomSeeker

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    It's amazing how many people on this forum don't have the moral courage to simply reply "sure, FreedomSeeker, I'd let them into heaven"....because then they'd see themselves a morally above Jesus, and all their lives they've been told they are a "sinner", and are "evil" or "wicked" (Mt 7:11, etc.), so this would blow their low self-image, so they balk at doing the morally right thing. I blame Jesus - Jesus is keeping people from their full potential as loving beings. Jesus' hatred for humanity is holding us back.
     
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    Please explain to us again how being complicit, morally, in innocent people getting brutal savage torture for just being the way "god" made them (gay) is NOT bigotted. Thanks.
     
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    On the contrary, this is a thread that shows that belief in Jesus makes people less moral. Period.
    Reading through the posts herein I've clearly, clearly, proven that point, over and over again.
    An ETHICAL person would care about his fellow human enough to reply "of course I'd let them into heaven, they've done nothing wrong!"
    Some people don't care about their fellow human enough to be a Modern Secular Humanist.....but I have hope for the future.
     
  17. FreedomSeeker

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    So you're more moral than Jesus/Mohammad/Yahweh/Allah are. I admire you for that.
     
  18. FreedomSeeker

    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    You are correct as usual - yes, many many religions teach hatred of innocent people, not just Christianity. Muslims are no more moral than Christians, as when they see ISIS throwing gays off buildings they are not moral enough to change the texts of their religion.
     
  19. FreedomSeeker

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    So you can't condemn Jesus/Christians for being so hateful that they send innocent people (gays) to brutal savage torture for being the way "god" made them, but you CAN condemn the mere messenger. You seem like the type of person that, if a doctor told you that you had terminal cancer that you'd smack that doctor. Or if Wolf Blitzer went live with a breaking story of Muslims nuking London that you'd chastize Wolf for that.
     
  20. FreedomSeeker

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    You still can't answer "yes" to the OP......think about why you are choosing hatred over love.....then change your belief system, my friend.
     
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    So then I think we can agree that said "restrictions" would apply to rapists, murderers, etc., and NOT to people who simply are doing a legal activity such as gay love. Or should gay love be made illegal like in many Islamic nations, upside-down-cake? Which is it, my friend? Please let us know.
     
  22. ABikerSailor

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    You know, when Jesus was asked what the greatest Commandment was, He replied "Love God above all else, and love one another like you love God". Gender was not specified.

    And, there is NOTHING in the Bible showing Jesus was against gays. So, I'd be willing to bet that even Jesus would let people into Heaven if they'd lived a good life and showed compassion and love towards all fellow human beings, even if they happened to be gay.

    I challenge any of you Christian bible thumpers to show me what specific chapter and verse shows Jesus denouncing the gays.
     
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    Heaven is supposed to be a place peopled by beings of eternal love, compassion, and forgiveness. A heaven that would turn a person away for any reason is not heaven. It's just another political entity.
     
  24. Maccabee

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    Where exactly?
     
  25. Maccabee

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    All of our works are as filthy rags. If we go to heaven based on works then heaven would be full of braggarts. That's why the only way to heaven is to except Jesus as your Lord and savior. Works comes after that.
     

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