Turkey 'sorry for downing Russian jet'

It looks like it is not the end of the story. Turkey refuses to pay any compensation. It took them less than 24 hours to change their minds.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/28/turkey-prepared-to-compensate-russia-over-shooting-down-of-jet

 

Oh yeah! According to Greekpronews, the apology is a little bit too little and a little bit too late... especially considering there are Turkish advisers helping Al Nusra in Syria, Turkish volunteers helping the Right Sector in Ukraine, Turkey working with the Tatar militant leader over Crimea, Turkey encouraging Azerbejian towards war with Armenia, etc., etc.

To be honest I was shocked at Putin's naivete in working and trusting Erdogan all these years. I guess he had to wake up the hard way. Now when all those Russian tourists are lulling around the beaches on the Greek islands instead of in Antalya, Erdogan will have to think twice before he invades them.

There is a saying: 'Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.' Anyway Putin should have realized what Erdogan was when he stabbed his best friend Assad and went along with the lies for his own self serving interests.

 

So by you saying that the Russian images are photoshopped, makes it so?

And by you saying that releasing our satellite photos would give away our capabilities, makes it so?

Only a fool underestimates the intelligence of others.

 

there are no satellite photos of the downing of MH17

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bunch of pro-Russian bigots who only like Russia due to Orthodox nationalism

 

I don't think that Turkey should have apologised at all. The Russian aggressors were clearly in the wrong....Turkey was well within its rights to take defensive actions.

 

Turkiye didnt apologize for downing a Russian jet which invades Turkish territory. They just said they want to normalize their relations and they are sorry for such a bad event was happened. This is not something new, Turkiye was always saying they are sorry to lose Russia. They never apologized for shooting Russian plane, they said they will shot again if they invade Turkish territories again.

 

Very stupid of Erdogan. I think he is going to get opposite effect from his awkward and inconsistent steps toward normalization of relationship with Russia.

 

Thanks to Mineva, now we know Erdogan did not apologize. Everybody is sure he did though, even BBC seems convinced he did.

 

Obviously Mineva you didn't read the letter... not that it makes any difference. The days of Russian Turkish friendship are over. You can kick your tourists goodbye, and you can kick your construction firms in Russia goodbye, and you can kick your food exports to Russia goodbye, etc., etc.

Anyway it should have been expected since Putin and Erdogan are on opposite ends of the moral spectrum, and as they say: "Never the twain shall meet."

 

Anyway, whether he did apologize or he didn't - we'll know it from Erdogan's actions.

Compensation payments to the killed pilot's family and for the destroyed warplane will mean apologize better than any words.

 

There are conflicting reports. Some say that the word 'apology' was never there, but rather the term 'excuse us' was used towards the families. Another news source says that Russia edited the letter and substituted the term 'excuse us' for the world 'apologize'.

Anyway I think the term 'apology' in the Turkish culture would be seen as a sign of subservience rather than as a sign of strength as it would be seen in the West. If Erdogan was to use the term, he would lose his following who wouldn't want their leader to be subservient to anyone.

Because of this I was shocked that Vladimir Putin demanded an apology, I mean he certainly should have known this... so I guess he was just saying: 'This is the end'. Of course we don't know the exact terms in Turkish, which might be completely different from the way we perceive them.

I'm just guessing in all of this, so take it as you will.

 

first Russia must compensate all the victims of MH 17.

$10 million a piece.

 

I read that Erdogan never mentioned compensation.

 

Don't derail the thread, please.

Anyway, formally the MH17 was brought down in the airspace of Ukraine. Ukraine's air control was fully responsible for providing security of international airlines over its territory.

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We'll see.

 

Mineva, you better take a look at what's going on at the Istanbul airport. There has been a massive attack, and it is really hitting home for me.

 

Well I was wrong, I thought Vladimir Putin wouldn't want to normalize relations with Turkey, but he wants an immediate lifting of sanctions on tourism and to begin the process of normalizing all trade and economic relations with Moscow immediately... according to Greekpronews.

I'm going to make a few guesses here as to why. First of all Turkey is almost bankrupt because of all the lost trade with Russia as well as the loss of tourism ...It was about 90% of all its tourist trade. It survived for a while with the stolen oil from ISIS, but that's been cut off. Erdogan is also under direct personal attack by the American supported Gulen and his former PM Devotoglu, so his own position is at stake.

As for the geo politics, Turkey realizes that Washington in helping the Kurds in trying to free Raqqa before the Syrian army gets there for a future Kurdistan.... which Erdogan doesn't want. Nor does Assad and Russia want Syria's richest territory to go to the Washington controlled Kurds. He also knows supporting Al Nusra to take Aleppo so it can become part of Turkey is futile, and that Assad is winning.

As for Russia, it wants to end the war in Syria by all means, and that can only happen if Turkey stops supplying the terrorists with arms and men.

 

Turkey was clever how they played that....getting what they want from Russia without a true official & formal apology.

 

Yep, exactly. Turkey taught Putin a very good lesson, the Russians completely stopped violating the Turkish border, now this "oops, my bad, let's have a beer" meaningless face saving apology is all Russia can possibly get and Putin will have no choice but to pretend that he is satisfied. LOL

 

Uhhh, you forget it wasn't Putin who called Erdogan, it was Erdogan who called and apologized. He had to because Putin refused to take his calls otherwise. ..so stop the spinning and accept defeat.

Anyway Turkey is in a desperate state economically. It doesn't have the stolen Syrian oil from ISIS, and the blackmail money from Germany anymore. It is also under threats from attacks by its indigenous Kurds because of Erdogons ethnic cleansing campaign.

For Russia to remove restrictions on tourism, and to give back its trade... even to the point of allowing Turkey's construction firms back into Russia, means Russia's geo political demands are going to be very heavy...

Ankara's surrender was probably brought about by the bombing of Aleppo by the Russian jets. It was a vicious and non ending campaign, so it didn't matter how many terrorists, volunteers, advisers and arms Ankara kept sending into the city, it was of no avail. He was not going to be able to take the city, so the war should be ending soon... that is unless the war criminals in Washington decide differently.

Of course one never knows with Erdogan, after all he is erratic and a megalomaniac, so let's see how long he will acquiesce before he finds an opportunity to strike again. The next time though, Putin will not let him off the hook so easily.

 

The gas pipeline from Russia through Turkish waters into Greece, might be to compensate Erdogon for stopping the war in Aleppo. I'm just guessing now, but it might have to do with the oil wells and gas fields in Syria. He had planned on taking them, or at least to have a pipe line running through Syria from Qatar into Turkey. Now they will either be going back to Syria, or to the Kurds... depending on how the taking of Raqqa pens out.

 

Turkiye is going to seize Iraqi cities Mosul and Kirkuk and preparing a ground for it. Mosul and Kirkuk is Ottoman cities.

 

Wow! Does this mean that Greece, Serbia, Bosnia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Egypt, Syria, and all the rest better start worrying... I mean they were all Ottoman at one time.

 

Strange how Erdogan's apology is being presented as having been encouraged by the US, when Victoria Nuland is furious. Here is what Victoria Nuland said from Greekpronews:

"We are very surprised by the behavior of the Turkish President Recep Erdogan. We see the apology of Turkish President as an inappropriate move and would like to hear his position directly from him. As a NATO partner, Erdogan disappointed us. We hope that the apology of Turkey to Russia during the "fall" of the Russian fighter will be reviewed. Otherwise, the US will be forced to change their relations with Turkey.

"The United States is urging Turkey to remain committed to the democratic principles for which we are fighting in Syria. Any other position we and our partners in NATO, would regard as unacceptable. "​

This is getting more interesting-er and interesting-er. It seems the terrorists Turkey has been sending into Syria was to support Nuland's democratic principles.

 

A hotel owner has offered a home in a tourist area to the relatives of the Russian pilot who was killed, and they refused and said they never asked for compensation. Vladimir Putin wants the killer of the pilot to be tried, but that might be a hard thing for Erdogan since it would turn the 'Grey Wolves' against him, and they are a fanatic nationalist group.