Why The Government Should Encourage Idleness With Welfare Payments.

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  1. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    With idleness people will have the time to naval gaze and explore their ambitions as opposed to living on the edge in the rat race of minimum wage, supposedly leading to the illusion of prosperity fed to us by the promise of the rich.

    Many American's instead work their lives away into poor health with the false sense of pride that their doing something good, all the while they make the corporations richer and themselves poorer in many ways.

    We must pay people not to work in order to achieve the American dream, and make America great again. :flagus:
     
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    I don't know about your business model, but your business won't be lacking for employees.

    where do I send my resume?
     
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    What planet do you live in?
     
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    What about equal protection of the law regarding the concept of employment at will?

    Unemployment compensation could pay fourteen dollars an hour since a minimum wage should be fifteen dollars an hour.

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    No resume required. You should be able to simply apply for unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

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    one where economics instead of ideology is the order of the day.
     
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    That's actually pretty smart. Educate and learn more about the world while the economy readjusts itself. Not too bad of an idea.
     
  6. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    wut?

    You're just going to give people money for not working? You must be incredibly rich, or... let me guess...

    you're not actually talking about your money, now, are you? You're thinking you can shlep this hairbrained scheme off on tax payers, while you virtue signal.

    Sorry boss. Use your own money.
     
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    This is the most asinine post in the history of PF.

    Any other votes on this?
     
  8. JakeJ

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    A message so absurd it must be satire.

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    If you mean the OP message it certainly has my vote.
     
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    Yep, this is pretty bad. Sadly, I think the poster could be serious. I know of no society in the history of the world in which paying people to be lazy was a valid policy proposal.
     
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    "Idle hands are the devil's workshop" comes to mind.

    They won't be staying at home pondering a better future or meditating of the greater truths of life. They will rioting for more, shoplifting for more, dealing drugs for more, flash mobbing stores and malls, and making and having single mother babies for even more money.

    Which, of course, is what happens and a government created welfare class of people and even entire sections of inner urban cities.

    To know how the OP's plan works, visit Detroit.
     
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    rickysdisciple New Member

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    Agreed.

    At the very best, if they have any shame at all, they will become depressed, unhealthy, and waste away from not being productive. Unemployment is an unnatural state that makes people miserable and wretched.
     
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    Only the right doesn't really believe in Capitalism and creating wealth.

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    why do you believe that, with any natural rate of unemployment?
     
  13. Belch

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    Now it's a left/right thing?

    You can't back that up, can you. Just spouting an unsubstantiated opinion is all.

    Do you even know how wealth is created? I bet you don't.
     
  14. Merwen

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    Hard workers do need time off to regroup, though, and the vacation system in the US is apparently a pretty stingy one compared to that in some other countries like France.

    Maybe we have been approaching it all wrong--instead of "Unemployment Compensation" dutiful workers should periodically be receiving "Sabbatical Stipends".
     
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    These are called "paid vacations" dude.

    You get them once you've proved to your employer that you are actually worth more than warm inedible meat.
     
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    Yes, we do, but ours are meager compared to other industrialized nations. I work for a good company - 3 weeks vacation after 3 years - but I know many people who get only two weeks vacation, period.
     
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    The government already does encourage idleness with welfare payments....
     
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    Agreed. Wealth is created by applying labor to raw materials/resources. It has absolutely nothing to do with politics.
     
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    For a small segment of the population, perhaps. Most people don't want to live on welfare, and there are time limits. Furthermore, many receiving assistance are working.
     
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    My last job was pretty stingy. Five days after two years, then one additional day for every year beyond that up to ten days total. Seven years for a whole two. weeks.
     
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    Most people want to be billionaires, so the want part is not really a factor. 52 million people receiving means-tested public assistance might be a small segment of the population to you, but I find it disturbing. While only a small percent receive actual cash benefits (excluding those getting earned income tax credits which is welfare by another name), we do rack up quite a bill buying votes from the lowest rungs.
     
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    But the subject is idleness. Most of those people are working. You can't get an EITC without a job.
     
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    You can get it by being willfully underemployed. I know people who do that. At my first job there were some people who would not work any over time because they were afraid it would interfere with their benefits or EITC. Many of those people still work at that same place and have no aspirations of moving on.
     
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    I know these people as well. This is an inherent problem with the system, but these people are still working. I would say the system encourages people to game it, but not to be idle.
     
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    No, it's not just labor to raw materials. That's just pounding sand.
     

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