Would Turkey Be Justified in Drone-Killing the Turkish Cleric in Pennsylvania?

And if so, would a "double tap" strike to kill all the first responders also be justified? That's what the CIA does in Pakistan:

Moreover: Nearly 90 Percent Of People Killed In Recent Drone Strikes Were Not the Target, Huffington Post, 10/20/15

All of which is counterproductive to reducing the threat of terror:

 

Yes, absolutely. How the US rolls, right?

 

They can try.
We can stop them.

 

Frankly I think Erdogan cares more about putting Washington on the spot by demanding Gulen's return, than having him killed outright. Turkey is in a poor economic state right now, and blackmail paid well with Germany ...so let's see what Erdogan's gain will be this time.

Of course when Turkey plays with Washington, it's more of an even playing field as far as scruples are concerned, so they might not get money the way they did from Merkel, they might get bombs instead.

 

They are more then welcome to try. Any nation is. But the reality is it would be shot out if the sky and then we'd launch a few cruise missles their way in response, so not really the best idea. No one has ever said you couldn't do what you suggest, it's just that your nations aren't that (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retarded.

By the way, while your article does state that 90% of those killed in drone strikes were not the intended taffeta, it's does point out that that doesn't mean they were all innocent civilians either. The majority of them were stil jihadists, they just may or may not have been the specific one we wanted to kill at the time but any time you kill a jihadists is a time to raise a toast.

 

The question is would they be justified?. Not if they had the balls to do it.

 

Well they don't have the balls to do it so the question is irrelevant. But as I said they are more then free to try. Why don't you point out the law the US created that says they can't?

I will say this though. Your comparison is flawed. If the Turks were to do this it would obviously be without the USs consent, whereas in the case of Pakistan we are there with the permission and work in coordination with the Pakistani government in military. So you really can't compare the 2. You know actually come to think about it based off of that fact the answer to your question is in fact, no.

 

Based on what evidence? The article does not say that.

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Consent of a government but not the population. And the Taliban didn't agree to be invaded.

 

The article dosent say that, I did. I'm sorry if you misunderstood that.


Can you name a country where the population and not the government makes such decisions? That's why we have governments lmfao. The population has no authority or qualifications to make such decisions. But aside drone the deflection of your post, do you admit that your comparison is obviously flawed?

 

You're assuming guilt. You're saying it's ok that those people were killed because they're probably jihadists anyways.

The Taliban regime didn't agree to be invaded.

 

As disgraced Attorney General Ed Meese said, The police don't stop you unless you're guilty of a crime.

 

The Italian and German governments didn't agree to this:

 

He is not a cleric. He is an agent : ))) I dont think that the coup was real. I believe that Turkish intelligence allowed them to perform such an attempt to execute many Gulenists parallel state members. They could not take this much of person in years but they took thousands just in a few hours under the pretext of coup attempt. Looks like a perfectly planned false flag to me.

 

could be. nothing can be ruled out

 

So I mean, yes the coup attempt was real but was under the control of intelligence. We will never know what really was happened. This is just my view about the events. There are some illogical points which makes me doubtful of it. For example no jets shot intelligence building. they just open some harassing fires by attack copters.

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I haven't seen anything to justify his guilt.

 

Regardless of whether the US government permitted it, it is just inconceivable that the US public would be ok with a drone strike in their country. Do unto others. The most basic moral truism.

 

And your assuming innocence. And we just go round and round. War doesn't have the luxury of trials and courts. And I never said its ok they were killed because they were probably jihadists anyway. I said most were probably jihadists. Some were in fact civilians and it sucks that they died. They have my sympathies. But civilians die in war.

Ummm... Yeah... CAUSE WE WERE INVADING THEM! Were you trying to prove a point with this? Wjat was is? What an absolute ridicules statement. Again I ask you what country is there that the masses dictate national policy. Answer the question or accept the fact that your comparison was flawed on the grounds that we have the authorization of the nation of Pakistan to conduct drone operations.

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We weren't talking about Germany or Italy were we? We were talking about Pakistan and Turkey. Quit trying to make strawmans arguments and just have some humility and admit your comparison was flawed.

 

Unnecessary. John Kerry has openly stated that the US would gladly extradite the "cleric" once Turkey formally requests it. Turkey has yet to charge the "cleric" with any crime. He's in voluntary exile.

 

No they would not be justified because the overthrow of Erdogan is a just act itself.

 

It depends. If there really is nuclear ordinance still calling Incirlik home, the Turks would be wise to proceed with caution. President Obama isn't even in the loop here.

If the Turks make a move on that base, the ranking American officer will follow a very strict and sudden protocol to protect the warheads. A lot of Turkish soldiers will end up dead in the attempt and if it looks like the integrity of the warhead containment is in danger, they will be destroyed.

Of course then we will officially be at war with Turkey.

Does anyone really think they want that?

 

Not they would not be justified. If he is behind the coup, Turkey should provide irrefutable proof and he'll be extradited. Simple, isn't it? There is no need for drone assassinations when there are legal ways to resolve the situation. That's certainly not the case with Islamic terrorists in Pakistan, Iraq or Sudan. Those governments will hide, not extradite them.

 

And the UN formally demanded that he be extradited even before 9/11.