Want a higher minimum wage

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Why? "Just because"? You make these assertions of what people "deserve", based upon what? The fact that they breathe? That you want to be nice? What is wrong with living in reality? I made minimum wage when I had my first job, as a teenager. I worked damn hard. I did NOT earn a "living wage". Did I deserve one? Of course not, that isn't how the world works. Since I was NOT earning a living wage, I did NOT attempt to live or act as if I was. I (shocking, I know!) took responsibility and PAID for my own birth control out of my meager earnings so I would not create another life to take care of on such a small salary. I shared housing and such expenses with others though I would have preferred not to. I eventually worked and educated myself on up and out of that situation. Had I been unable to do so, I'd have had to continue living that way, because that would have been my lot in life. "Deserve" has nothing to do with it.

It's one thing to have a government safety net and provide THE BASICS. Food to eat, a bed in a dormitory, emergency medical treatment. It's quite another to suggest that everyone (whether they work hard or not) "deserves" a certain standard of living or the ability to make life choices without consequence of whether or not they can afford those choices, because some people think other people DESERVE to have to pay for them instead. What did **I** do to deserve THAT responsibility being foisted onto me?

 

In the past, when one wanted a 'higher minimum wage' they would get a better, higher paying job. In recent past decades, liberal policies have punished job creators to such an extent that many of them could no longer pay decent wages. Some even left the American shores. Now, the very creators of the problem (libbies) create more regulations (like the minimum wage) to 'fix' the problems they created.

 

Illegals have nothing to do with minimum wage. Employers pay employees based on their contribution and necessity for the business to thrive. Obviously an employee that needs no college education and who is easily replaces will earn less than one who requires college or technical school education to perform their job. That is how it works. If you want everyone regardless of education and experience to be paid the same starting wage, that is socialism/fascism and not indicative our system.

 

If you expect to hire someone for what amounts to poverty wages...your business model sucks or you are a POS.

 

Because he had to fix it during 8 years of his presidency, not to smoke pot and blame someone before him.

 

In the past, a min wage could pay the bills (provided you had a full time job). You can take your revisionist history and shove it.

 

Congratulations? Who exactly are you referring to? The OP thinks the minimum wage goes up "naturally".

 

The point is, if the federal government thinks they can force a $15 minimum wage then lots of people are going to lose jobs. If companies can't afford it they can't afford it that's the bottom line.

 

Um,probably because hes been sleeping at the wheel for 8 years and he is currently in office.Who should we blame?the pope?

 

These are businesses that people already here won't start. Why? The risk is too great. For immigrants the risk is seemingly less. Not because there is actually less risk but because, by and large, many immigrants came from absolutely nothing so risking everything is something that is not a huge issue. Whereas your typical non-immigrant has had a comfortable life without risking anything and is therefore less willing to take huge risks.

 

Recipe for disaster. What you purport has been tried and tried and tried. It always fails as a policy. The consequences range from political revolution to violent revolution. Political and social stability is based on the people in the society at least being able to believe that they get a fair shake in their society. That is why make sure people who labor make a living wage. It is best for society wit large.

 

lol - Fewer people with jobs will certainly cause fewer people making MW. Good job Obama!

 

So you oppose TRUMP's plan to raise the minimum wage.....uh........right????

 

I didn't "propose" anything. I asked you questions, which you apparently decline to answer. You now assert that higher minimum wage is necessary for political and social stability, as opposed to your original assertion that it is "deserved". You completely fail to address the obvious question....a "living wage" for supporting how many people, in what location, to what standard, and WHY? Political and social stability have DECLINED with the increase in government "poverty" programs, which scope regulated minimum wage certainly falls under.

 

The government doesn't force it. They are elected, they legislate, it becomes law. Case closed.

 

Illegals don't work minimum wage jobs. There is also no shortage of minimum wage jobs.
After the housing crash, illegals mass exited and minimum wage jobs and pay weren't affected.

 

You took aim and shot yourself in the foot. There WAS no minimum wage decades ago.

 

Really?

The minimum wage was re-established in the United States in 1938 (pursuant to the Fair Labor Standards Act), once again at $0.25 per hour ($4.23 in 2015 dollars[13]). In United States v. Darby Lumber Co. (1941), the Supreme Court upheld the Fair Labor Standards Act, holding that Congress had the power under the Commerce Clause to regulate employment conditions.[14]

That would be about EIGHT decades ago.

How long ago were you referring to?

 

When you dig into who is paid minimum wage, you learn it is the teens. They live at home and don't support families.

 

And minimal illegal immigration or diversity for that matter=)

 

The funny thing is blacks and Latinos will again overwhelmingly vote for the candidate who will bring in more cheap labor to steal what few jobs these people already have.

 

Maybe in the last century. Keep up pops.

 

You took aim and shot yourself in the foot.

The min wage was implemented by FDR as part of the New Deal as he knew the only way to combat the deflationary situation we were in was to stimulate consumer spending and put more money back into circulation. The min wage was a living wage intended to force a redistribution of wealth to the lower end of the pay scale thus ensuring EVERY worker had disposable income. Had it been tied to inflation, it'd be $16.75/hour today. Had it been tied to worker productivity, it'd be $22/hour today. The entire notion that the min wage is a stepping stone for HS workers starting out is a Republican lie from the Johnson era to justify not paying a living wage. Reagan's anti-government stance and trickle down economics entrenched the idea in (American) capitalist thinking.

 

Yup kids cant get jobs anymore because companies would rather give a job to an older person with experience . The point is you are not supposed to be able to support yourself on the minimum wage. Its entry level pay. They are basically paying you to learn how to do a job.