Everything I posted is sound; you have done nothing to show otherwise. Israel does not "occupy" the WB, Golan Hts or the Gaza Strip.
When someone is <obdurate> and wants to see only what he chooses to see and read with no consideration for historical facts.... you certainly create a precedent where you consider yourself more knowledgeable than others in history and ask others to join you. a) The Mandate for the reconstitution of the Jewish people was in actuality Jordan of today (77%) in addition to Israel of today (23%). b) Wen Trans-Jordan, Transjordan and now Jordan was yanked away to C R E A T E the new state of Jordan what remained as Israel was (23%)... the Arab squatters (legal and illegal) joined together to further reduce the size of the new reconstituted Jewish State and until today (67 years later) do their utmost to deny its existence... Israel cannot give any land without jeopardizing its security... so... what you mention above does not make any sense since the <<<<Bulk>>> of the Mandate territory is with Jordan.
Only in our case, your guy entered another family home, murdered the grandparent, raped the girl, he was jailed for trespassing, murder and rape and when he came out of jail he claims the their home belongs to him, and that they are the squatters.
Cite your sources for this so we may verify your claims. Nice catch, [MENTION=62867]Ronstar[/MENTION]
I know, Mr. Bendor, we are at odds what constitutes Palestine and Jordan. You totally deny there exists a Palestine, belonging to the Palestinians... you say it all belongs to Jordan, and the tiny piece of land your people were given to establish a homeland for the Jews is actually Jordanian land. I can't believe that! There really existed a Palestine with Palestinian people living in it for hundreds of years, perhaps thousands... I don't know exactly. It doesn't matter. The fact is your people drove the Palestinians out of their land and houses with horrendous cruelty. Thousands fled in sheer horror! No civilized people would behave like your people behaved at the time and even now behave. It is a natural instinct to feel sorry for the suffering Pals and disgusted about their tortures. Why can't the Israelis act civilized and try hard to accommodate, help and be fair to the Palestinians? You could set a most positive example to the world by treating your "perceived" enemy like an equal human being. Stretch out your hand and say, we want to help you in any way we can, but understand, we do need a home of our own. Try a genuinely friendly way to get along and see their reaction. I'm sure, by now the Pals are very weary and would be glad, if the hostilities would stop. Can't you see that the Pals now also have no longer a Home they can call their own? ... you took it away from them! Walk a mile in their shoes and find out what it feels like to be harassed, incarcerated and murdered on a daily basis.
Your false narrative to marginalize, disparage the Jewish people will not ad an iota to the so called Arab power to delegitimize my country ... Israel was here first, Christianity came after and Islam was born in the seventh century: came last. But let me respond to the slander that Israel had anything to do with the 400,000 so called Palestinian that left on their own. Israel was non existent at the time, and the order for them to <temporarily leave> not to be in the way of the victorious Arab Armies who had in mind the obvious elimination of the Jewish people... The opposite was the results... the Arab so called armies then, were beaten to a pulp! And Israel could declare its <Independence>! . The Israeli Arabs are the best educated, they live well and even join the IDF... so your above narrative is fiction and brainwash. There is nothing to see... there were NEVER an Independent Palestine, the Arabs that lived in that Area were opportunists, that moved with the seasons to feed their flock of sheep and other domesticated animals, or bent to the need of work needs in agriculture and other building jobs.
Why? because Hamas did not unite with PLO it came as a political party without changing anything, just to beadded to the gov, unity means one head one agenda one goal, its a bit stupid to think Israel will supply free energy and taxes to a gov that openly orgenizes terror attacks against it dont you think ? Unity is not a coalition of parties - unity is one leadership and one army. Who supported the Ezel (Irgun) unity with Hagana and formation of a single Israeli leadership ?, when there is a will there is a way, nothing should stand in the path of unity when indipendance is on the line - unless unity/indipendance are not the first priority, I think you are being very very naive to think the reason for this failed unity was Israel, Hamas and PLO are long rivals - bitter than Hagana and Etzel were. Im trying to picture the mandate gov objection to the Ezel The propossal is not for a sovereign Palestine but an autonomy so ofc it will lack the things a sovereign state has, question is will it be a positive development toward a sovereign state on day when they are able for it or should/can they insist on a sovereign state right now ? - - - Updated - - - Oh? there was a peace propossal from Hamas that I missed ? do tell and change recorded history my man !!
BS, Jews were allowed to immigrate for a while but that's it, no authority was given to them and the Brits even absteined in 181 voting. there was also a huge pressure on Ben Gurion from the US not to declare indipendance.
How about everyone just Give the Palestinians what they say they want and give them their state. Then treat it as any other state, evaluate its actions for terrorism and stability, treat it as this requires. allow it to "Flourish" under its own booming economy with NO interference (including aid), tell it from the onset that any aggression will be met with retribution, require passports for any travel, send residents of this new state back home to it, and let things happen as they will. Be careful what you wish for....you might just get it.
lol, what happened between the elections and the blockade ? that explains your naivity on Hamas PLO unity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict They killed their own ppl in refusal of unity and normalization with Israel - what question do you have about the blockade ?
Why... dismantle UNRWA, make over 30,000 people who work for it unemployed, and leave untold millions of enraged Palestinian supporters without a worthy cause? NEVER!!!
Trusting a man that shakes your hand is one thing and trusting a man that spits in your face and tells you he's going to kill you - is another. Im willing to consider an autonomy in the WB for the PLO based on the trust you mentioned but I have no reason to do the same in Gaza. - - - Updated - - - Yea , it made my laugh too, especially now during the Syrian mess
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/society/2016/6/11/poverty-in-gaza-forces-children-into-labour Half of the people living in poverty? Gaza sounds like the Garden of Eden doesn't it.
I think you misunderstand my idea. There is no trust involved, in fact you are simply allowing them to fail on their own and watching carefully as it happens. Everyone just sits back, saves money and grief, gets ready with big guns when they become desperate, cries for the starving children, and awaits the inevitable collapse of their new "State".
You're right......, give us a few days to destroy Israel and let the poor Gazans have their fun, they suffered enough.
There are dozens upon dozens of countries where people doing much worse than Gazans, and yet they do not have anything like UNRWA or we ever talk about their plight. Wonder why?
I get you, that was what Sharon said during the withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, if they dare shoot a rocket at us after we retreat - we will erase them, BS.... Gaza is on life support for more than a decade and no one draws near it, not Europe and not the Arab world, Israel doesnt want to occupy it, if we just let the child fall on its own - we still be the ones that needs to pick him up because no one else cares or is affected by it, with all due respect to the pro palestinians here - they live in Europe , we are the ones that share the land with them and I dont want to make lost bets in Gaza, WB is another topic, unless they unite somehow, but that's me......
The Palestinian Authority represents 80% of the Palestinians and the leaders of Hamas declared years ago that they will abide by any peace agreement that the majority of Palestinians support. The West Bank and E Jerusalem have always belonged to the Palestinians and Israel has no right to remain a hostile military force of occupation in the Palestinian territory. It never had a right to be there at all because in 1967 Israel went to war against Egypt, Jordan, and Syria and not against the Palestinians. There wasn't even a Palestinian Army for Israel to oppose in 1967 and there was no justification for the Israeli military occupation of the Palestinian territory. Of course the 6-Day War was never really about Israel defending itself. It was the desire of Israel to annex the Golan Heights, part of the West Bank, and E Jerusalem and every action by Israel since the 6-Day War has verified the true reason behind the Israeli invasion. Israel was the instigator in 1967, not Egypt, Jordan, or Syria, and it was Israel that launched the offensive war in an attempt to annex territory that it had no right to.
What? what are you talking about ? 80% ? PLO will be lucky to get 50%, elections on the way anyway, if they are "postponed" in the WB we'll know Im right. "peace agreement that the majority of Palestinians support" - is a political wriggle that means nothing, will they unite under one flag and one leadership or not ? Well its ours, Golan, the whole of Jerusalem and a few parts of the WB. we used to have Sinai as well but gave that up in a serious peace agreement.
Dozens of countries? Really? How many of them don't even have their own permanent water supply? Israel controls the faucets in Gaza because there's no permanent ground water in Gaza. Not a single river in Gaza runs year round and Israel chokes off the Gaza water supply preventing enough water for agriculture to provide enough food for the people. How many of those dozen countries have been subjected to a continuous war by a blockade for a decade. Even N Korea has open trade with China but Gaza is prevented from any open foreign trade by the Israeli blockade and the closed Egyptian border. Not for a single day has Israel not been at war with Gaza because the blockade it imposes on Gaza is an act of war.
Every square inch of E Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights is outside of Israeli territory.
Apparently I am not being clear...allow me to simplify: Leave Them Completely Alone To Die. Stop giving a shlt WHAT happens to them and kill them if they get nasty. Kick them out of your lands and ignore their pleas for help. Basically....let them commit suicide and don't even help bury the corpse.
