"You don't need that" from foriegners

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  1. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    You can feel free to speak to Me directly, it is not just that Rebecca Peters speaks her mind, she actively inserts herself into American politics lobbying against Our Constitutionally protected Rights.

    Guns are not beloved, they are necessary tools.
    You have been less than complimentary to NRA, what about the First Amendment ? Wayne gave up his Rights ?

    If Americans traveled to Australia pushing for Political reforms, I suspect that would not set well with you either.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Naw you got it all wrong....it's just that your fraudulent claims don't mean all that much here since you don't have a first or second.
     
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    where do you live? I don't care how tough you are (I have years of training, a black belt and have studied stick and knife fighting since high school (I am 57 now) and a thug with a knife is going to destroy most martial artists who think they can go hand to knife with a street wise mope who has a blade. I am unaware of any society that can keep knives out of the hands of mopes.
     
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    Learning disorders can be fatal.
     
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    I've lived a life, too, in all sorts of colourful and challenging places. Not sure what that has to do with guns.

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    I'm not referring to myself (I live in a gun free place, so don't need to move). I'm referring to people who say they can't afford to move.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    there really is no such thing as a gun free place save USP super max florence or some of the other maximum security prisons
     
  8. DoctorWho

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    It has plenty to do with Guns, I was a Lawman in various Countries with massive restrictions on firearms, a Gun was part of the job, if I had been unarmed, I likely would be deceased, people that claim you do not need a Gun are not founded in reality, only supposition, based on limited experience and lots of Google.

    You say you do not need a Gun, and that is fine & dandy, I do need Guns, shotguns, Rifles, sidearms.

    I have never seen evidence in all my experience, that firearms cause crime, they do not, I have met and spoken with countless gun owners in many Countries, law abiding people for the most part, restricting firearms for reasons other than criminal convictions is a poor idea.

    There is what I call Gun Control by Economics, many people just cannot afford firearms, in many countries people are paid comparatively very low wages, so a handgun can cost over $ 2,000 - $3,000 U.S. after various Government fees and license, this puts a quality handgun well out of bounds for a wage earner that is paid $20-$30 U.S. per week.
     
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    How is this meaningful?
     
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    This statement is false; the AR 15 is not used by the Australian armed forces.

    Category D licenses, which cover AR15s, are restricted to government agencies, occupational shooters and primary producers (in some states), so simply being in the military does not qualify you for said license.

    Funny how you do not know your on gun laws.
     
  11. OrlandoChuck

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    We completely respect your decision to not own a firearm. Not everyone wants to learn about firearms nor take the time to get training.
    We ask that you respect our right to own and legally carry firearms if we choose.
     
  12. Maccabee

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    Are police or professional vertebrate pest controllers apart of the armed forces?
     
  13. Bowerbird

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    Yes and there are people who believe that because they have never seen a case of Tetanus that we do mot need to immunise anymore and yet the statistical evidence supporting vaccination is still there
     
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    No and I do not think any have legal ownership of such weapons. Our cops have firearms but they are not automatics. Swat teams may be different and we are currently reviewing what they carry since we had a civilian casualty at the Sydney seige
     
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    Some guns used in shootings are available in Australia - shotguns and some handguns in particular.

    "Machine guns" are very rarely used in crime in the USA, the last I know of was the 1997 "North Hollywood Shootout" in which 2 men illegally modified semi-automatic rifles to be automatic. Despite the many 1,000's of rounds fired by the 2 bank robbers and the roughly 300 cops as the shootout wandered around North Hollywood, the only deaths were the 2 bank robbers.
     
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    We here in the USA grew up with guns. When laws get passed here, they are moving away from the lawful ownership of guns into a system where guns will be taken.

    Our history is laden with guns. Guns to defeat England two times. Guns to take property, such as the war with Mexico that gained enormous lands.

    Guns used to hunt. I don't know what Australia hunts, but our people hunt game. Bear I understand is a very good meat. Deer, Elk and birds are food.

    To this very day, a lot of game is taken and eaten. Maybe you guys don't like Kangaroo steaks.

    I turn over this link since it says with reluctance, some of you eat Kangaroo.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23086541
     
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    How much funding would be required for you to leave a given area immediately, and move to a completely different area, regardless of location or distance that needs to be traveled?
     
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    A pistol today while your spending weeks looking for a new job in another location, selling your house, buying a new house, moving costs, etc sure would be nice, wouldn't it?
     
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    Somewhere around 50% of Americans are women. Many retailers sell pink guns.
     
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    I'm not talking about automatics. I'm talking about the semi auto AR 15. That is legal in your country provided you jump through the hoops.
     
  21. Bowerbird

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    That is not what the government website I linked to says. I do suspect there are exceptions such as Buffalo hunters but you have to realise that even if you have a licence you have to store the gun as soon as you have completed the task and that means a locked safe. Even someone in the military cadets here has to abide by those rules

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    Is America so dangerous?
     
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    Australia did not ban guns. It merely enacted strict legislation to minimise the availability of guns to nutters and idiots


    Seems to have worked
     
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    Available but only to a few. And do not discount the requirement to keep firearms secured at any time they are not being used in a legitimate manner
     
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    With the many home invasions that take place every day, and many armed robberies, yes, in many places, very dangerous, and in places like NYC, in slums, many parts like East N.Y. Brooklyn, Myrtle ave. sometimes know as Murder ave, people are killed often, the subways are particularly dangerous, I used to ride them and know how bad it could be, and I was a Police Officer and able to defend myself.

    Most people in NYC are not armed and easy prey, so they would send plain clothes or non uniformed Police Officers as bait, to catch muggers.

    And the best part was no Police radio coverage in many parts of the subway system....
     
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    You keep telling us it is. Given that...
    70% of the crime in the US does not involve a gun; in such a dangerous place, why would someone not want a gun for self-defense?
     

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