Question for Minimum Wage supporters

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  1. dairyair

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    Except any living creature that wants to use land, water, and air for survival. Like humans do.
    Except those that want to use highways, airports, or other public utilities or transportation.

    No one wants to go back to the 1800s for travel and no one wants to go back to the pollution that was bad in the 1960s.
     
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    relying on inferior countries that use slave labor is worst for free market competition, America was leading in education and higher wages until it started trade.

    now America is inferior in education and higher wages when compared to foreign countries, to make rich crony capitalists richer who are the middle men for global trade.
     
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    the poor don't want to be dependent on the government to raise the minimum wage for an immediate but temporary effect on their incomes.

    their livelihoods are dependent on a fart in the wind by a bureaucrat or politician every few years to keep raising wages, when they can no longer afford the cost of living.

    with tariffs wages stay up longer for the poor so they aren't dependent upon welfare to subsidize their survival until a politician can act.
     
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    Min wage is for teenagers and part time workers. These workers do a job that anyone can do and brings little value to the business. Why should businesses pay more for a job that does not bring much value? If they want more they should improve themselves to bring more value to an employer.
     
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    This does not make any sense whatsoever.
     
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    Yes, we don't want the least skilled labor driving down wages; we want the more skilled, driving up wage prices so they compete favorably with inflation.

    Unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed, solves that capital inefficiency, by using socialism to bailout capitalism, like usual.
     
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    corporate welfare is more convenient, especially when we have massive budget surpluses instead of massive budget deficits, at our disposal.

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    Only the right wing, is that fantastical regarding economics.
     
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    the biggest jobs market in the US, is the low wage, service sector.
     
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    You simply misunderstand the economic paradigm.

    We don't want the least skilled labor driving down wages; we want the more skilled, driving up wage prices so they compete favorably with inflation.

    Unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed, solves that capital inefficiency, by using socialism to bailout capitalism, like usual.

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    The right wing considers a minimum wage the equivalent to "entry level" wages. Thus, entry level is the paradigm.
     
  10. dairyair

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    Sorry you aren't familiar with recent history and how lakes used to catch on fire.
    Air was terrible.
    Land was terribly polluted.
    We had no national interstate and intrastate system.

    Back when there were few taxes and regulations. You want to return to a darker time.
     
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    Whatever the equation is, it will need to include a factor for the desired unemployment rate.



     
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    still waiting for the rich to automate or use robots for the entire service sector industry to avoid paying minimum wages.

    until then tariffs and a huge wall naturally raise wages for the unskilled and uneducated in the American free market, without the use of government force to artificially raise wages.

    unemployment compensation removes the incentive for survival from the unskilled and uneducated, higher wages encourages the poor to want to survive, instead of depending on our bureaucrats welfare which can be taken away if he has an itch he can't reach.
     
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    why say the Chinese are slaves when they are free to quit or take any jobs they want and when they are getting rich. Who would respect your argument when it starts with a lie and disrespects people who were and are really slaves. Do you understand?
     
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    very true about a huge wall. A country without a border is not a country. Tariffs, you don't want because they cripple our industries by protecting them from international competition making us a second rate country, including militarily. What you want is fair trade agreements that allow us to sell in China as easily as they can sell here. Now do you understand?
     
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    Today, 'slave labor' is IMO nothing but a political term. It's just a way for politicians and unions to vilify corporations for seeking out the most attractive resources to produce their products and services...all of which is mandated to business in the name of competition and survival.

    Then the same bozos who whine about so-called slave labor refuse to pay higher prices, always demanding more for less, and demand the highest profits from corporations who are in their investment and retirement portfolios...
     
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    nothing but propaganda and rhetoric.

    so what if jobs get automated; more expensive labor will be required to operate it.

    and, solving for simple poverty and the capital effects of capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis, will not do what you claim.
     
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    tariffs protect the borders of the American free market from slave labor, the same as a huge wall protects the physical borders of the country from illegal immigrant slave labor.

    only free people understand what wages amount to working as slaves, if you want to free the chinese or other foreigners open a business in those lands, but don't expect to make money from us.
     
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    Tariffs in other word guarantee a lower standard of living for Americans. While in other lands such low wages may appear that of slavery, in truth they drive new cars and wear good clothing.
     
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    Have you ever posted 1 honest comment?
    How free are chinese to quit and take other jobs?

    How many posts do you get deleted in 1 day with lies and disrespect?
     
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    In my opinion, unfilled positions due to a lack of "qualified personnel" trying to fill them; Only means the positions don't pay enough in our First World economy, under our form of Capitalism.

    The private sector should cease and desist publishing non, Truths in Advertising under our form of Capitalism.
     
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    It is going to happen some day. The question is how long.
    Inflation will demand it will happen because inflation demands higher and higher wages.
    Or workers will have less and less if wages don't keep up to inflation.
     
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    How about 2%...
     
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    Science is rarely neogtiable. The factor needs to be determined not chosen.



     
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    What ever the market will bear; with unemployment compensation at one dollar an hour less than the statutory minimum wage.

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    a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage helps.

    as does, unemployment compensation that competes with the employment sector.
     
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    inflation happens when the government prints free money for the rich.

    higher wages comes from a natural environment where the American free market does not use cheap labor from outsourcing jobs or illegal immigrants.
     
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