2016 Election: No Conservatives need apply-

rkhames · Sep 23, 2016

Gorn Captain said: ↑

Can you cite evidence that Libertarians voted for Democrats in 2006 and 2008?
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I don't have the voting records of every Libertarian. But I clearly remember several Libertarian talk radio show hosts pushing the concept of voting Liberal to send a message to the GOP establishment. You might question the fact, but you can't disprove it. Here are a couple of articles that support the statement. Note: In the second article, it says that younger Libertarians supported Obama while older Libertarians supported McCain. Both articles agree that the Libertarians were the swing votes that gave the DNC control of both houses in 2006.

http://www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2007/libertarian-voters-2004-2006
http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa658.pdf

TOG 6 · Sep 23, 2016

Gorn Captain said: ↑

So basically, there is no CONSERVATIVE running for President in 2016
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Funny how you think this is news.

Gorn Captain · Sep 23, 2016

TOG 6 said: ↑

Funny how you think this is news.
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TOG?

What if Trump doesn't "really mean it".........on opposing gun control????

TOG 6 · Sep 23, 2016

Gorn Captain said: ↑

TOG?
What if Trump doesn't "really mean it".........on opposing gun control????
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Why are you asking me? I don't want Trump to be President.

Merwen · Sep 23, 2016

Gorn Captain said: ↑

Mine are simply written down-

1. "But Mexico is going to pay for that!" Trump has never fully explained the logistics of that. "Tariffs on Mexico" will pay for it? He has to get Congress to pass the tariffs, and Ryan and McConnell won't do it. "Taxing money sent by wire-transfer back to Mexico"? Again, requires a Congressional law and unles it ILLEGALLY targeted people by ethnicity, it would mean it would target American businesses and banks that sent money to Mexico by wire-transfer......think Republicans would support that?

Plus, no Government workers could be contracted until the money was actually allocated. Plus, money from "tariffs" or "taxes on wire-transfers" goes into the General Revenue....so again, we're back to Congress having to allocate tax dollars to fund the Wall....and Trump TRYING to CLAIM it "wasn't our money...it's Mexico."

So? It would be a Government works project funded by tax dollars....aka New Deal progressivism.

I guarantee like Trump....you've given this ZERO detailed examination.

Why should Trump do Mexico's job for them?

2. "To get back our jobs! Why should good workers be on welfare?" Not an answer. Tariffs are a Left-of-Center trade policy.....not a "free market" Right-of-Center trade policy.

Free market is for within an economy-- Unless you are a one world Globalist.

3. "We paid into it!" Again, not relevant. Ryan and Ideological Conservatives want to "reform" SS and Medicare by "partially" privatizing them....to "get Government out of it". Trump wants them untouched....same as Clinton.

Since when is a lack of fairness irrelevant?

4. "Says who? There are other ways to pay..." Says Trump. He's called for more defense spending AND more infrastructure spending. That spending requires revenue....to get revenue to have taxes....so? It's "tax and spend" on increased Government spending....progressivism.

Just because you can't think outside the box. Progressives always attack a country's treasury first.

5. "Very few sane people want to control the goings on in a nonrelated person's uterus." Again, you're admitting Trump is LYING about being "pro-life"....fine.

I don't speak for Trump--just for rational human behavior.

However, the Republican Party Platform supports restricting abortion. BTW, I'm sure the millions of pro-lifers out there on YOUR side of the political aisle are happy you are calling them "insane."

They're not on "my" side. I support who I think is right for the US at the specific time I am voting.

6. "Just as long as these are not used to oppress Christians, why not?" Again, address the "traditional marriage" Christian conservatives....on the Right. THEY are the ones still hoping the Obergefell Decision is overturned.

That's not my job, or Trump's, either. His focus is on stopping the exportation of our means of production, not red herring side issues like this.

7. "Wouldn't you prefer that society help support working families' babies than welfare illegitimate ones?"

A. Trump makes no distinctions in his plan for if the mother is married. B. Again, this is a Government mandate on business to supply maternity leave. When did the Government mandating things on business become "conservativism"???

The main issue is not to support the reproduction of incompetent leaches. Where did Trump say that business or the government should pay this? I'm all for placing a specific tax on Catholic churches for the purpose.

8. "Trump employs many females and has two daughters." Great...not relevant to my point. Do Ideological Conservatives accept the idea that women are discriminated against on pay equity? Yes or No?

It's up to women to decide if they want to make their family or their work lives their priority. Where women have worked as long and intensively as men and pushed as hard for compensation, IMO they already have equality.

9. "Trump believes in independence and autonomy for the US, not a global dioctatorship." Cool. Does Trump blame George W. Bush for 9/11 happening? Yes or No? (video standing by). Does Trump blame Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al for LYING us into the Iraq War? Yes or No? (video standing by).

What does 9-11 and the choice to lie us into an Iraq war have to do with creating a new world order?

Are these the ideas of a "conservative" or more like those of somebody on the Left?

? Nonsensical to me.

10. "Proof Putin killed anyone?" Unless you are a paid Russian blogger, or so cultishly devoted to Trump and his odd "bromance" with Putin.....what "conservative" would try to defend an ex-KGB Russian dictator, whose political opponents "just happen" to "die in fatal accidents"... as a "nice guy"???? Would Reagan do that???

What about all the fortuitous bodies falling over Hillary's pathway? Are these all chance happenstance?

11. "Weren't they?" Yes, except to the George Zimmerman fans on the Right who defend ANYBODY who shoots a black man or black teen. And those folks are Trump supporters.

How does this relate to Trump saying he was "troubled"?

12. "Self protection is not bigotry." What are you "protecting yourself from"? Be specific and list everything.

IMO the deliberate and willful importation of Islam despite numerous warning signs is sufficient.

13. "He knows how to get things done, and IMO his methods will besurprising and less dependent on government than you think."

Does Trump know how things "get done" in the Federal Government? Does he (or you) imagine that he'll just say "Do this" and Congress will bow and scrap and say "Yes sir".....in other words, like it is in his private business where he is the CEO and everybody else are employees?

Does he (or you) understand the "separation of powers" as delineated in the U.S. Constitution?

He understands political pressure in a way that Obama does not.

14. "Trump chose a true conservative as vice president, which seems to me to counter all of this."

So who'll run the agenda under a "Trump Administration"? Trump or Mike Pence?

IMO Trump knows how to delegate authority and you will see many effective administrative strategies used.

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Lesh · Sep 23, 2016

rickysdisciple said: ↑

Thanks for telling us something we already know.

I support almost all of the positions you laid out.

Trump is a nationalist candidate, which is a good thing.

Being overrun by third-worlders is a major problem that needs to stop. I know you deeply want to destroy the white majority, but I'd rather not--enter Trump.
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So it's all about the racism with you. Thanks for the honesty

Professor Peabody · Sep 24, 2016

DarkSkies said: ↑

I seriously wonder if the Evangelicals are gonna sit this election out.
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That's doubtful, as they don't want Hillary choosing the next 2 supreme court judges.

rickysdisciple · Sep 24, 2016

Lesh said: ↑

So it's all about the racism with you. Thanks for the honesty
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So it isn't racism when you are intentionally trying to reduce the number of whites, but it is racism if whites try to resist that trend? I'm not sure I understand you.

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