The big news in Australia is that the Australian Government want to give lifetime bans to boat people that come to Australia seeking asylum. Boat people are pretty much illegal already here in Australia because if any boat people get into Australia waters the Australian navy is sent out to turn the boats back when it is safe to do so, or if not we take the boat people and put them in offshore detention. So no boat people can get into Australia as it is but we have a lot of do-gooders here in Australia that give the boat people that have been put in offshore detention false hope that the Australian Government will weaken and eventually give these boat people Australian citizenship. So the point of Prime Minster Malcolm Turnbulls new policy to give boat people that come to Australia lifetime bans is to take away any hope that a boat person might have about them ever gaining Australian citizenship by coming to Australia illegally. https://www.rt.com/news/364729-australia-lifetime-ban-migrants-boat/ So if a boat person comes to Australia illegally then they will be banned from Australia forever, and will not ever be allowed to enter our nation - not even as a tourist. How about that? The Liberal ( conservative/right ) Australian Government is being clever by choosing the date that former Labor ( liberal/left ) PM Rudd said marked the day that no boat people that come to Australia illegally will ever get Australian citizenship. The offshore detention policy of Australia has bipartisan support and the current policy of sending boat people to offshore detentions on islands of other nations started with Rudd and Labor/the left. See even the left side of politics in Australia knows that it is political death for them to be soft on border protection and that is why they support offshore detention. We had a Liberal Government in Australia from 1996-2007 under then-PM John Howard, and the Howard Government had a strong border policy that involved offshore detention - so when Labor came to power they went soft on border protection and because of that - and other factors - illegal boat arrivals spiked and this contributed to the unpopularity of the left leaning Labor Government - so Labor flip-flopped and adopted a policy more in-line with the strong border protection policy of the Howard Government before it to try to help them in the polls, and like Howards Pacific Solution boat people policy, the Labor border protection policy was to send illegal boat people to offshore detention. So even though Labor is the left side of politics and they promote American-liberal agendas as if they were the American Democrat party, they are stuck with having ownership of the offshore detention policy and they know that they cannot afford to seem soft in any way on border protection because the majority of Australians want a strong border policy. So even though Labor has ownership of the offshore detention policy and they give bipartisan support to keeping it in place - they like to try to pile on to the Liberal ( conservative/right ) Government whenever Australias refugee policy is criticized by the UN or whatever international do-gooders - and in response to that the Liberal Government reminds them that the offshore detention policy in its current model started under former Labour PM Kevin Rudd. So for Liberal PM Malcolm Turnbull to use the date that former Labor leader and PM Kevin Rudd said - “As of today, asylum-seekers who come here by boat without a visa will never be settled in Australia.” - is hilarious. The left leaning Labor cant really criticize the policy too much because it is essentially their policy. If any do-gooders of the Labor Party call the new lifetime refugee ban policy cruel then they are calling their own labor party cruel. I had no idea that PM Malcolm Turnbull was this funny. By using the Kevin Rudd Labor date the Government can include all of the boat people that arrived during the big boat people spike during the time that Labor was in power and got soft on border protection - and that means all the boat people currently in offshore detention on Manus Island and Nauru. All of them. Apparently these people boat people do not want to be resettled in Cambodia so we are working on another third party options. So since USA is so pro-refugee I was thinking that USA would be the perfect third party solution to our boat people refugee problem we have here in Australia. You Americans are about to elect leftist liberal Hilary Clinton and she is very weak on borders and very pro-refugee. So if you Americans like refugees so much then why dont you take ours off our hands for us? We do not want illegal refugees, but apparently you Americans want to give them amnesty. Apparently USA has over 11 million illegals in USA right now so you guys will not even notice our refugees. Our refugees hate being sent to offshore detention on Manus Island and Nauru, and apparently they are not happy with Cambodia either - but Im sure they would be willing to come to USA - especially since you guys love illegal immigrants so very much. The Australian continent is girt by sea and we have no nations bordering us - so we do not have to worry about millions of Mexicans just walking across our borders and entering Australia illegally like USA does. Our off-shore detention policy has pretty much stopped the boats and now all we have to really focus on is the relatively small number of illegals that get to Australia by plane and overstay their visa. Under former Liberal leader and PM Tony Abbott the Australian Government actually planned an initiative called Operation Fortitude that involved our Border Force agents stopping citizens for random visa checks but due to a leftist socialist protest in Melbourne and some political bedwetting the Abbot Government decided to abandon the policy - but the fact that Operation Fortitude was even planned is proof that our conservative Liberal Government is focused on ridding Australia of all illegals - not just ones that think they can enter Australia illegally by coming here by boat. It was PM Abbott that stopped the boats with his determined offshore detention policy and he also brought in the policy of using the Australian navy to turn back the boats when safe to do so. See, we just turn the boats back if we can - and if the boat is not good enough to make it back to Indonesia or wherever we just toe the boat and the boat people to offshore detention on Manus and Nauru - which are not even Australian islands. And now we are going to give lifetime bans to all of these boat people that have been in offshore detention on Manus or Nauru - and send them of to a third party solution - and that is where I think the USA should come in. USA keeps telling Australia that we should allow illegals to to enter our nation illegally but clearly that is not going to happen - so since you Americans are so worried about it then why dont you take our refugees? It is the perfect solution. Hillary Clinton want more and more illegal refugees so why not take ours? We do not want them. You do apparently. We are even going to depart the very small amount of refugees that did manage to get into Australia from their offshore detention by injuring themselves or claiming to have sick children that could not be cared for adequately on the offshore detention islands. Apparently there are about 300 of these refugees that are currently in Australia on bridging visas and we intend on deporting them along with all the rest of the boat people that are still in offshore detention - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-...hose-already-in-australia-bishop-says/7982582 So we only have a few thousand boat people in offshore detention that we need to get rif off somehow - and a few hundred here in Australia on bridging visas that we are also going to deport - so since USA loves open borders and illegals so much then isnt USA the perfect third-party solution to our refugee problem? USA has over 11 million illegals within your borders so like I said, you guys will not even notice the few thousand boat people that we send you. Look how soft you Americans are on border protection compared to us Aussies. 11 million illegals and you dont want to build a fence or a 'wall'? They are even putting up refugee fences in Europe for Christ sake. We are lucky on the Australian continent that we do not need to build a wall or fence since we are girt by sea and all - but if we did have to share a border with another nation you can be sure that we would put up a fence. Back in the day we Aussies put up a pest exclusion fence - The Rabbit Proof Fence - to keep rabbits and things out of good farmland, and when the Rabbit Proof fence was completed it was the longest fence in the world at 2,023 miles (3,256 km). The Rabbit Proof fence went all the way across Western Australia. We also put up a similar fence on the East side of Australia known as The Dingo Fence and it is on record as the worlds longest fence at 5,614 kilometres (3,488 mi). So, if we Aussies had to put up a big long fence - or even a wall - to keep illegal Mexicans from walking across our borders you can be certain that we would do it. I am happy that I live in a nation that has a strong border policy and I am happy that the strong Australian Government continues to ignore calls from USA and the UN to end our offshore detention policy - and instead our PM Malcolm Turnbull has come up with this lifetime illegal refugee ban policy. You cant even call illegals illegals in USA can you? American leftists say that it is offensive and politically incorrect to refer to illegals as being illegals dont they? Ha. So since you love illegal refugees so much in USA then could you please do us a solid and take our refugees off our hands? What is adding a few thousand to over 11 million anyway? Dont you agree that USA is the perfect third party solution to our illegal refugee problem that we are having with our few thousand illegal boat people? And hey - do you guys think that Hillary Clinton and the rest of the American do-gooder leftists think that our Australian PM Malcolm Turnbull is a deplorable? Do you guys think that Hillary Clinton considers the left side of Australian politics to be deplorable for initiating and supporting our offshore detention policy for illegal refugees? Arent we Aussies a lot tougher on illegals across the board than Donald Trump is? We certainly are so American leftists must believe that Australia is a nation of deplorables. Is Hillary Clinton going to be able to get along with our Australian political leaders when we all know that she thinks we are from her basket of deplorables? Dont you think that a good way for Clinton to get off to a good start with our deplorable political class would be for her to extend the Olive branch after she becomes US President by offering for USA to act as the third party solution to our illegal refugee problem? Over 11 million illegals and all we are asking is for you to take the few thousand that we are dealing with in offshore detention. Come on. What do you say? [video=youtube;lC2u_24kdCg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2u_24kdCg[/video] American leftists, what do you say? Will you please take these refugees off our hands for us by acting as the third party solution? I know the deplorables wont like it but if you Americans dont take these boat people they are going to end up being sent to a nation like Cambodia. Do you American leftists really want that on your heads? Come on. Can we get a hashtag or something? You American leftists need to pressure Hillary to take our boat people by acting as the third party solution. It can be the new Pacific Solution. You Americans are a Pacific nation right? Arent you American leftists obligated as Pacific leftists to be part of the Pacific Solution? Any boat people that come anywhere near Australia we will get the Australian Navy to pick up - and then we will send these illegal refugees to you guys to look after in USA. Sound good? You American leftists want to help illegal refugees dont you? We Australians do not. Our door is closed to illegals. Can you please help these people America?
Did not read past first sentence because it and the title are wrong The pm has suggested this it has not even gone before parliament let alone get passed into law In Aussie politics that is like some who once bought a stamp being accused of sending hate mail to everyone on earth
Australia is lucky to be surrounded by water. Your outback has countless miles of empty desert, put the refugees there and tell them to make a life of it. Of course it would help if it ever rained there, ha ha. Maybe the can build an Outbeck Stikehouse....If you guys had a land bridge to Indonesia, you would see some serious refugee problems.
On the face of it this seems like the usual noisy politics, more about grabbing headlines and winning votes that any real attempt to improve the situation. Migrants are only going to take the dangerous and illegal route to Australia if there are no legal routes open to them, now or in the foreseeable future, so banning them from travelling legally in the future isn’t any real threat and it won’t stop them continuing to try the illegal routes.
Australia's policy towards illegal immigrants, please stop calling them migrants or refugees, is wonderful, because it's working. But to answer your question about what to do with the illegals in offshore detention, simple. Process their applications immediately. No need to keep them detained for months or years, a few days for them to apply, a week before coming before a judge and then a couple of days for the inevitable appeal followed by putting them on a plane and dropping them off at home when their application is rejected.
I guess the difference and problem with using Australia as an example, is Americas problem is slightly different... our "boat people" have been living here so long, they have had in many instances, multiple children, who by our laws, are legal citizens... so we're nowhere near the same simple policy of turning away new "boat people" and it being a solution for our current issue... would that greatly help the future, sure, but we're stuck facing the current mass population with children, and its either, give them some legal status so we don't deport parents and separate the kids from them, which creates a whole new set of issues for us, or do we send them all back, which we can't since the kids born here are legally entitled to live here even if their parents "abandon" them in essence by not taking them with... plus mexico, would have to permit them travel and residency since the children are not citizens there... its a far different spot than Australia is currently within... like another person echoed it sure would be nice to be surrounded by water with no close countries of mass populations that can easily travel to us, you're in a fantastic position there... so if America wants to adopt this solution, we first, must secure the border, then we must come up with a method to identify people by citizenship, without infringing on the rights of folks per our constitution, we attempted that with the "REAL ID" act which was supposed to link a drivers license or state ID with a birth certificate, so we could formally declare someone a citizen quickly and easily by showing their ID when required for certain services or activities, including hiring by an employer... but we screwed that up since some states wanted to circumvent the law and didn't correctly issue the ID's the way they were supposed to, so we literally have potentially millions running around with ID's that make them appear to be legal citizens... its so bad the law demanding anyone who flies have such an ID, has once again been delayed from implementation... so the problem continues and persists... anyone once we figure out that whole new mess now, and only after we secure the border, only then can we begin to finally attempt to deal with the mess of people sitting inside our borders already... and only after we recognize and identify all those people, can we then begin to implement or even pass a law that says, anyone who overstays a visa or magically appears without certified travel documentation permitting them, be banned for life... we're so far away from even step 1. secure the border, we can't even begin to think about all the others... I dunno I think this whole argument is all worn out and everything has been said, I'm certainly adding nothing new to the discussion, just showing the difference in issues between the two countries I guess... might as well end my long speech I'm not adding anything new...
When we Australians make a decisions we do not think - is this constitutional? We just change our laws if we have to. Do you really have to give illegals 'due process'? See you already say the word constitution by the second paragraph. You Americans should burn that thing. You cant have a thought without referring back to your dusty old constitution. You can change your constitution at any time you know. Amend it. Whatever you need to do. We are changing our migration act to make what we are doing possible. I have not heard anyone mention our constitution. We did have a White Australia policy back in the day though. You Americans had slaves. Who even cares what our constitutions say? If I took over USA I would deport all illegal Mexicans - even if they had adult children that were born in USA - I would send the adult children with them. %$%$ em. Any form of amnesty just encourages more to come.
With the rampant terrorist activities nowadays it's better for the would be refugees to go there through proper channel, a win win situation of both parties and of course in safe orderly fashion.
I don't think you understand what I said... if we simply said "lets deport all illegals" we would end up with MILLIONS of children, who have no parents, but they themselves, are legal US citizens... do you propose we just deport the parents and now we're stuck raising their children they won't take back with them because even without parents its still better for the kids to be in america? do you bother to think through your decisions, actually, in your first line, you said australians don't think... so I guess you already answered that question hey... but seriously, do you want us to just imprison or deport every illegal we catch instantly, without wondering whats going to happen to the MILLIONS of children, that like I said, are legal citizens and we can NOT deport those kids with the parents, by law the children have rights to stay... I think you're ranting because you suspect I want the illegals here, I do not, but what I do want is a system in place so we can effectively get rid of them, without leaving us with MILLIONS of parentless kids which is going to be a far greater disaster for generations to come when they likely will be forced to turn to the hispanic gangs that are the majority gangs in america... imagine how many more gang members we'd instantly put on the streets if we added MILLIONS of parentless kids for their picking? I know I know, you didn't bother to think this through, you just kept saying "adult children" as an escape goat, newsflash, nobody in america is worried about the parents who have "adult" children, we're worried about the MILLIONS of underaged children that would be abandoned to the gangs in america as their new parents... maybe next time think things through, but like you said in your first few words, you australian don't think... I suspect most australians don't want YOU being their voice...
Okaaaaay Firstly just been to Alice Springs and they have a very respectable sized African Community as well as an Indian, Korean and Philippine communities. All in a town in the middle of a desert. Now as to the land bridge.... Look at a map, no not one showing America but one showing Australia and Papua New Guinea.. You can see by that it is possible, almost, to SWIM from PNG to Australia across Torres Straight. There aren't any sharks to worry about either because the Crocs ate them years ago.. We have a lot of PNG nations coming and going via canoe or dinghy. Island hoping it is possible to cross even from Indonesia to Australia in a relatively small vessel. The main problem was the sea worthiness of the flotsam the people smugglers used
What is Australia going to do when all of those tens of thousand of soon to be American refuges start arriving on your shores ? There are tens of thousands of American liberals who said if the racist Donald Trump is elected President they are leaving America and moving to a predominantly white country. Canada is the number one choice and Australia is the second. Only one American liberal plans to move to Mexico, George Lopez. The rich white liberal elitist have written off moving to any European country, to many Muslims so they say. Africa and Latin America are off the list for obvious reasons. So that leaves Canada and Australia.
Most liberals don't have a skill that can be used in the private sector. They even hire Mexicans to clean their toilets and raise their children. They like to preach, "Do as I say, not as I do." and expect government to take care of them. Liberals also look at anyone who drinks beer as deplorables.
Interestingly I applied to emigrate to Australia about 30 years ago but was turned down because I wasn't a skilled tradesman and didn't have a job to go to, so I let it drop.
My own perception is that Australia is the last intelligent country with western values on the planet; they're determined not to make the same dreadful mistakes we in the west have made, and have a controlled system of immigration (emphasis on 'controlled') which, despite all the sanctimonious whinging of the 'enemy inside' leftists, they ignore with the contempt it deserves in the authorities' determination to maintain the status quo. So well done Oz! Wish we'd done the same thing here.
If you do not want to change your constitution then just do a better job of interpreting it. You can find constitutional experts that will say that anchor babies in fact do not have US citizenship. And yes - I would send the anchor babies back to Mexico or wherever with the illegal parents. Even if the anchor baby is an adult and was born in USA and had lived in USA its entire life. And I did not say that Australians do not think - I said that Australians do not allow our constitution to dictate every decision. And dont be so sure. I am a lot smarter than Pauline Hanson and look how popular she is. With the help of a guy like me the CFMEU certainly could take ownership of the Labor party. But I would prefer to get work with the CIA or something like that. I am not looking to make any trouble. I want to help.
That guy that is the father in Malcolm in the Middle is going to move to Canada is Trump wins. I read it today in the news. edit - American liberals are not going to like Australias border policy. I wonder why Australia is second. I guess American liberals have not looked in to our border policy. They cant go to the UK of course because of the Brexit vote and all. It only really leaves New Zealand and they have a conservative government right now. And the New Zealanders are a bit more liberal than us Aussies when it comes to refugees but not much - and they are only a touch more liberal due to the fact that they dont get any boat people in New Zealand. A boat person isnt going to go around Australia to get to New Zealand. They just dont get boat people in New Zealand - and New Zealand does not have any shared borders so New Zealand has no problems with illegal refugees. I dont think American liberals are going to like living in New Zealand. Canada is really their only option if they want a white country. Cant they %$%$ off to somewhere in Europe? I know there is a lot of nationalism happening there right now but Merkel is still in control of Germany isnt she? How about Germany? Maybe the American liberals could go to Germany after Trump wins. What is Merkel again? Christian Democrat? All the Democrats could become Christian Democrats. That would be funny. edit - New Zealand is kind of cranky because we keep putting New Zealanders in offshore detention on Christmas island. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-...sland-detainees-could-be-brought-back/7392572 Ha.
It's true and a valid political point. If it goes against your leftist ideology, so be it. Maybe you want government to wipe your butt for you. I say, "No thanks" to that.
I think everybody who ever heard of them "offshore detention" knows that Australia is keeping them in rather vile concentration camps where human rights are violated according to about every human rights organisations. That journalist are forbidden to have a look there, says it all what kind extremistic nasty crap the Ozzies are doing there. And they only do it with those colored people. When some white European comes,... oh they are welcomed with open arms.
We should do the same. Anyone caught illegally entering the USA is banned for life, just like so should any illegal in the USA who commits a felony.
I am not happy with my country's policy or actions on this - I have been unhappy since the onshore detention centers were first set up. Some it is that we are hung with our own petard - we have to give free legal advice but this can manipulated. Yes I think some form of detention is warranted for ALL illegals not just boat people but that should be to satisfy the main question - are they a risk to our community. By risk I do not only mean terrorism I mean drug resistant TB Once the safety of that person for the community is satisfied - let them in - we have plenty of jobs - but you might have to go outside of known population areas to get one
