Read again. The source is "The Independent". Its findings will be issued amid deep concerns over problems in recruiting police officers to firearms duties and at a time when gun-related crime is at record levels. The number of offences involving firearms has risen from 5,209 in 1998-99 to 7,362 in 2000-01 (up 41 per cent). " The Independent, Watchdog 'will criticise police over use of guns, Blunkett to announce concessions for police, By Ian Burrell, Home Affairs Correspondent, 08 July 2002. "Cherry picked"? Nonsense. Gun bans always lead to surges in gun crime. This week the West Midlands was labelled the nations gun crime capital as figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that the region now has a higher rate of firearms offences for its population than London. Josh Halliday, Guardian, UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label 2/20/2015. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...al-rancour-and-regret-over-west-midlands-labe Guns cannot be banned. They are irrational and dangerous.
The gun crime this relates to is 95% between rival drug gangs and sectarian crimes in Northern Ireland. All nations have rival drug gangs in their major cities but if they shoot each other with illegal firearms, no one really cares. The UK is not without crime, no nation is but most murders are committed with a sharp instrument, a gun is very hard to get hold of in the UK. On mass shootings the US is way ahead of all advanced countries. From 1966 to 2012, nearly a third of the world's mass shootings took place in the U.S. This is according to a 2016 study that used the FBI definition of 'mass shooting' below. It surveyed 292 incidents and found 90 of them occurred in America. Put another way: While the U.S. has 5% of the world's population, it had 31% of all public mass shootings. Of all the murders in the US in 2012, 60% were by firearm compared with 31% in Canada, 18.2% in Australia, and just 10% in the UK. Instead of cooking up figures trying to prove gun control in the UK is not working, I suggest you take a look in your own backyard.
LOL! YOu really think The Guardian and the Independent are "cooking up figures" to show that the UK gun ban has failed? How about the BBC? "While Britain has some of the toughest firearms laws in the world, the recent spate of gun murders in London has highlighted a disturbing growth in armed crime.... Weapons seized by the Met in 2000 included: Lanchester sub-machinegun capable of firing 550 rounds a minute Israeli Uzi sub-automatic machinegun capable of firing 750 rounds a minuteBetween April and November 2001, the number of murders in the Metropolitan Police area committed with a firearm soared by almost 90% over the same period a year earlier.... With both street robberies and gun crime on a sharp increase, there are fears that the two trends will overlap and young muggers will, more and more, graduate from knives to firearms. ... The worrying trend is not just in London. Birmingham, Manchester and Nottingham have also witnessed increasing gun crime. ... The operation was deemed necessary because of the reluctance of witnesses to come forward through fear of reprisals from the criminals involved. Yet only a few years ago the British government led a rigid crackdown on gun ownership.... Although all privately-owned handguns in Britain are now officially illegal, the tightened rules seem to have had little impact in the criminal underworld. Millions of guns? No-one knows how many illegal firearms there are in Britain, although estimates range from between 200,000 to several million. Whatever the true figure, it is said to be growing daily. ..." BBC, "A country in the crosshairs," 1/4/2002. Is the BBC "cooking up figures"? Wake up.
None of the restrictions are prior restraint which you advocate for guns. You didn't have to learn English to publish or say anything here in the US. You could be speaking Swahili and the government wouldn't care. Now for practicality sake you need to learn English and to become a citizen but other than that there's no prior restraint. So with guns I should have to first be trained in order to own a gun.
Actually Finland has a higher death toll from mass shootings than we do. Who cares if the murder rate in general hasn't changed? Plus have you ever stopped to consider that maybe all those countries already had a low gun death rate before they implemented gun control? Also have you considered the fact that our gun deaths dropped drastically from the '90s and gun sales and ownership are going up? Same to you.
The fact that you have to go back 15 years to gain any evidence shows how weak it is. As I said you are relating to gang violence with illegal weapons. No one has ever said that there is no gun crime in the UK but the State of Texas is way in front of gun murder than our whole country.
Great post! I would agree violence is definitely part of human nature. We are after all animals. Thats why laws and regulation can't fix the problem. You got yours and I got mine but sowhere is someone who don't got and there willing to take yours and mine no matter what the law says. Sad fact is there is nothing more dangerous then a man with nothing to lose. Which also sad to say seems to be a lot of.
I intend too, but its interesting to observe that when you are confronted with the facts drawn from you own countries records you can find no answers and resort to schoolboy rhetoric.
Is 2015 "back 15 years"? “This week the West Midlands was labelled “the nation’s gun crime capital” as figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that the region now has a higher rate of firearms offences for its population than London.” Josh Halliday, Guardian, UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label” 2/20/2015. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...l-rancour-and-regret-over-west-midlands-label Are the West Midlands in Northern Ireland? "The gun crime this relates to is 95% between rival drug gangs and sectarian crimes in Northern Ireland." Scampi Scampi if the NRA sent you here to help me make my point tell them I said thank you - thank you very much.
No doubt about that. So it is human nature that appears at the root of the problem? Want? If we're talking about the us gun death problem as the thread is titled.
It is in the nature of violent criminals to use firearms to give them an overwhelming advantage over their disarmed victims. Gun bans and gun control generally encourage gun crime and empower criminals.
That is the point of suggesting letting nature take its course. The body count and consequences of drug addiction will skyrocket to the point that quite literally no one will ever be able to deny the harm they cause society. Eventually it will reach the point where no one will ever wish to engage in the use of illicit narcotics again. When the deceased bodies of those with drug addictions being littering the streets, sidewalks, alleys, and every other public venue, left to decompose like nothing more than trash, then the problem will solve itself. Everyone with a drug addiction will be dead, and society will be so significantly scarred by the cost of the use of such substances, that there will be no more appetite for such. First you claimed that everyone, absolutely everyone, who wished to legally own a firearm, should be forced to acquire the same degree of training used by the military and police in the united states. Then it was pointed out that the degree of firearms training they are instructed in was abysmally low, to the point only the most incompetent and inept individuals could not pass muster. When confronted by such you stated that the level of training should be raised even higher. That is the very definition of what constitutes as being arbitrary. - - - Updated - - - Then elaborate in coherent terms like an actual adult would. Merely stating that you disagree means nothing. - - - Updated - - - That is not your decision to be making.
The united states also has more than one hundred times the number of legally owned firearms than most other countries, as well as a criminal population size ten times greater than most other countries.
Letting nature take its course it=s the most horrific rational I have ever heard. In the meantime there are millions of americans that would suffer and die.....it would literally be a holocaust. That is just horrible. Of course this is my decision to make. I make it every time I vote. Would you now deny me the right to vote? - - - Updated - - - Uh.....not in Japan
And what is your proposal should absolutely none of this come to pass? What will you suggest then if you are truly interested in saving lives, when the next presidency and senate insures that your proposals remain an absolute impossibility?
Continue to fight to reduce the level of gun violence in this country. I mean....you join me in this....don't you?
Do these states also prohibit individuals from legally acquiring or possessing firearms within their own homes unless they first acquire a concealed carry permit? If not then there is no precedent, either big or small.
The only way to present such is to permanently incarcerate all violent offenders for the duration of their natural lives, regardless of whatever cost may be entailed by doing such. Anything less than such will amount to nothing, as numerous criminals have freely admitted to being able to easily acquire a firearm within months of being released from prison, either through a family member, or a friend who is willing to purchase it for them, despite such an act being illegal.
And how do you incarcerate criminals before they commit a crime? Would you accept the minority report? Lol - - - Updated - - - Really? Does it not say the right to BEAR arms?
