To our liberal friends

I agree 100%. The economic headwinds are still there: Private debt overhang, deleveraging, low interest rates, lack of demand due to consumers being tapped out, low wages etc. Just changing the president will do nothing to change these parameters, which have been 30 years in the making.

I am, however, looking forward to all the excuses by him and his fans as to why his 4% growth and beautiful economy isn't materializing.

The national debt is a whole other issue. See the fiscal hawks all of a sudden become fiscal doves.

 

Democrats have spent the last eight years blaming Bush for Obama's lack of economic achievement, not that that will stop them from expecting an immediate turn around, so I hope people are realistic about reviving a moribund economy.
It will happen but not instantly. Just dismantling a failure like Obama Care, that sucks up a full 1/6th of our economy all by itself, will make a positive change.

 

It just means scores of Americans would have to pick up those jobs, and they're presently unemployed so I think draining the swamp of workers coming over here to work is pretty sound strategy. As for how lowering the Corporate Tax rate(highest such rate in the developed world) would help jobs, is it'd be a compromise with the businesses. In exchange for lowering taxes and making it fairer/easier to invest here, they'll come here. Compared to Obama's kicking and screaming from 2014 to make them stay here. See, Liberal orthodoxy on the economy apart from being wrong was also totally inflexible so as to disable policy.

 

How will an unemployed person in New York or Cleveland pick up a job picking vegetables in Arizona?

 

After 1 year of lying about and bashing Trump, I bet Megyn Kelly is bleeding everywhere.

Of course the attacks against Trump won't stop as the OPer urges.

 

Yes, that's the problem(and it doesn't have to be Arizona, New York has farmers too.) But this is why public transit investments(less than 1% of the Federal Budget) will come into play. If we could modernize our public transit to be like Asia's(Bullet trains, and such), we'd be able to commute over long distances and as such, hiring would be much easier as well.

 

Good luck getting your party members advocating for public transit. Most see it as too expensive and some form of socialism.

When the Metrorail was built in Miami with public matching funds, Reagan was famous for saying that the US could have bought a car for every customer for the same price.

That's what your party thinks about public transport -- and many other projects that would improve the public good.

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Ah, so gracious in victory. Why didn't I expect any less?

 

And Repubs like Trump hate trains.

 

I'm not the one blaming Trump's supporters and Trump when he's not even in office yet, that's all you.

People who come to this country and contribute and want to be an American are welcome. My wife is also an immigrant, but we went through the process of getting here legally.

Race played no part in this election, but keep beating the hate drum that our old president has been banging on for years.

 

My statement remains a fact. The United States has the best border security it's ever had in history which can be documented based upon the two most important factors related to border security. The federal government is spending more money on border security and we have more Border Patrol agents than at any other time in American history.

Pointing out anecdotal cases where problems exist does not change the fact that we have the best border security in American history.

A problem for "Republicans" that don't seem to think when it comes to "Mexicans" is that two-fold.

First of all there is no such thing as "perfect border security" because no matter what we do there are always ways to penetrate the border security. I know this for a fact because I've been assigned perimeter security in combat (Vietnam War) and even with 24-hour armed guard-posts averaging less than 25 meters apart the Viet Cong were able to penetrate our perimeter. It would require over one million border patrol and support personnel just to put one man ever 25 meters apart along the US-Mexican border 24-hours a day and that would still wouldn't stop a determined person from crossing the border illegally.

Second is the simple fact that the majority the 11.2 million "illegal" (undocumented) aliens entered the United States through our border check points and didn't enter the United States by circumventing those check points. At least a couple of million entered on temporary work visas legally the border check points and simply stayed after their work visa expired. Others were smuggled through the check points in vehicles because it's impossible to search every vehicle (that would close down the border completely). Hundreds of thousands simply flew by commercial airlines to places like Las Vegas using tourist visas to enter the country and then went to places like Los Angeles where they're employed.

Like any law of "prohibition" our current immigration laws enacted in 1986 that prohibit legal immigration for millions of people simply results the illegal immigration of millions of people. This is no different than our laws that prohibit "recreational drugs" because it just created a black market in the prohibited drugs. It was no different during alcohol prohibition.

We need rational immigration reform that allows those that want to come to the United States for peaceful purposes such as employment and/or to be with family to legally enter the country. This reform must be retroactive to include those that previously immigrated to the United States for peaceful purposes but were forced to do so "illegally" because our laws didn't allow it. At the same time we need to strengthen our prohibitions and enforcement to prevent anyone from entering the US for nefarious and/or criminal purposes.

Of course the Republicans are hypocrites because they're real problem is they "Hate Mexicans" and we know that's true because the one thing they don't want enforced is the "Enumeration of the US Constitution" and "Original Intent" that they claimed to want in pre-election propaganda. If that was the case then they would repeal all of our immigration laws because the US Constitution granted no authority to Congress to control immigration because the original founders such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and, perhaps most importantly, James Madison, often referred to as the Father of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, ALL opposed any restrictions upon immigration because open border for them was a matter of the Natural Right of Liberty (that Republicans oppose). The omission of "immigration control by Congress" in the Constitution was intentional and not by accident because the founders believed in "open borders" based upon the Right of Liberty and opposed immigration restrictions that violated the Right of Liberty.

All of the immigration laws we've ever had, going back to the very first Chinese Exclusion Act, have all been based upon "racism" and Republicans endorse the racism and oppose the "US Constitution" and "original intent" because it would allow "Mexicans" to immigrate into the United States.

That's why we have a problem and the 11.2 million "illegal" (undocumented) aliens are merely a symptom of the problem of White (WASP Male) Supremacy in the United States that Republicans have embraced by electing Donald Trump who was officially endorsed by the KKK..

 

Tell me, who do you think is more hateful? Donald Trump who said he'd be president for ALL Americans, or you? Here's a hint: Mirrors self-reflect, they don't show a reflection of other people.

 

I suggest that before you make other remarks about the future, remove the feathers of that crow you have for supper this evening, and consume it with gusto. After eight years of failures including trying to pass off Hillary as the second coming of Obama, perhaps you should be eating crow for at least a week to let the failure of Hillary and your ideology really set in.

 

when Trump mentions a wall he means deportation of 11 million immigrants and making companies not hire them so they have no incentive to return.

if all of those jobs taken by illegal immigrants for cheap labor and are given to Americans for high wages he can have the 4% GDP growth he is promising.

simply that would be a free market redistribution of wealth, and increase money in the pockets in the poor for more spending by them to stimulate the economy.

 

It is always nice to see how gracious some PF members are in victory.

BTW: Show me a post where I passed off Hillary as the second coming of Obama? Or where I idolized Obama? In fact, I have been critical of both of them in the past.

But, enjoy your victory as long as it lasts. Eventually, reality will set in and, unfortunately, nothing much will change for the Americans who are not fat cats.

 

Trump isn't going to deport 11m people. He has no plan for how he could do that.

And, eliminating farm labor isn't going to cause out of work manufacturing workers to start picking crops, nor is it going to cause manufacturing corporations to stop replacing workers with machines as they look for college graduates to manage and operate these modern facilities.

You bought a dream. But, we live in reality.

 

Whoever was trying to pass of Hillary as the second coming of Obama? And why would someone pass off Hillary as Obama if, in your own words he was a failure? Are you expressing disapproval for partisans doing partisan stuff?

If so doesn't it make sense to, IDK, avoid the partisan stuff?

Anyway the future remains uncertain.
Hopefully Trump will be an amazing president, and the house and senate institute really good policy that helps grow the pie, but reality is (and I know your still in the afterglow) but reality is that there is nothing stopping the repubs but the republicans.

If they don't pass everything they want they can't blame anyone else,
If they do pass everything they want and it fails, they can't blame anyone else.

Its a scary time for me because I don't believe that policy wise, the fiscal conservatism isn't what we need, but the people have spoken. I hope I'm wrong.

 

No, it wouldn't be a free market, a free market shouldn't be relying on limiting options (in this case who companies can hire.)

This is a socialist/ nationalist policy to limit free market forces.

 

It was a Republican majority SCOTUS that made the Roe Vs Wade ruling. Does SCOTUS represent we the people, or just the Trump supporters?

 

Wait, weren't Republicans liberals back then?

 

What are "Republicans liberals"? Did you mean Republicans and liberals?

 

I thought liberals belonged to the Republican party back then?

 

In the 70's? Not that I know of. What is the source of your information? I would be interested in examining it.

Does SCOTUS represent all Americans or only Trump supporters?

 

What I honestly can't predict is whether his supporters are so fanatical they'll believe in him no matter what happens, or whether his failure to deliver everything he promised (because he can't and/or it won't work) will cause them to turn on him.

 

In 1776 there were many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence that contained the following two lines that established the political ideology for America:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

It says "all men are created equal" but how many of the signers believed this only applied to WASP Men, not women, and did not apply to blacks or the Native-Americans or anyone other than WASP Men. In that same statement is also establishes the government derives it's just powers from the "consent of the governed" and how many Republicans believe that today? Both Article I and the 17th Amendment explicitly establish that members of the House and Senate are to be elected by the "People" and not just the "Citizens" of the United States. The "People" are counted every 10 years by the US census and includes all of the permanent resident citizens and non-citizens living in the United States.

So when Donald Trump said "he'd be president for ALL Americans" which Americans was he referring to? He sure as hell wasn't referring to the undocumented immigrant that's been living in the United States for years that also an "American" established by their permanent resident status. It probably doesn't include women that he holds in contempt or Muslim Americans.

Donald Trump's definition of All Americans can be limited to only WASP Male American just like many signers of the Declaration of Independence believed and he could be more nefarious that even those signers because he could further limit to only US Citizens that are WASP Men.

 

I don't think you'll find much support for making citizens out of those 40+ million undocumented immigrants. That much has been made clear. The US couldn't afford it anyway, we'd be in Venezulean-financial destitution.