Donald Trump & Australia

Why would we Americans give a rats ass what Australians think of Trump? Don't Australians have enough to worry about without pointlessly gossiping about USA domestic politics? Americans certainly have enough on their plate without gossiping about Australian domestic politics.

 

Do we care what USAmericans think about what we think about Trump, probably not. But we can't defend ourselves and your a rather large trading partner. You go elect someone like Trump and try and stop people talking about it!

 

Another intelligent post that cuts right to the core of the problem, and explains it in commonsense terms.

The average person has had enough of being told what they can say and what they can do by self-righteous, do-gooder, biased bigots, who think their moral opinions are better than everyone else's.

For decades, these do-gooder bigots have taken moral superiority over everyone, and when they don't get their own way, they talk over everyone, or talk people down by chucking victim tantrums.

 

It is resonating with us here because we are seeing our political landscape changing, much like your own. However unlike yourselves we have more than just two candidates, or parties in which to cast our protest votes.

We are also seeing a shift on both sides of center to the extremities, leaving the traditionally moderate center clambering for existence.

I am unsure why we have all become a society of extremes, going from sedate apathy to extreme anger in the push of a Facebook button, but so it seems.

Our youth, much like your own, don't seem to carry any moral parameters anymore. They would rather film a beating than actually stop it. Concerning, as these are the generation that will one day be charged with my generations care and well being.

Youth aside, we have all become a society of narcissists. Snapping selfies, and posting obscure comments in the hope of some attention from similar self obsessed friends.

Our daily actions and emotions are controlled by a greedy corporate media machine, less concerned about truth than advertising dollars, and governments so embroiled in Political Correctness, that they have shackled themselves so tightly to public perception that good policy has been abandoned for poll results.

So when the Establishment is rocked to the core, as has happened in the USA, we are all interested. The whole world is. To think anything different is just showing that famous American arrogance.

 

There is only one reason why low intellect Australian do-gooders negatively gossip about President elect Mr. Trump.

They are seriously scared and worried the same political revolt will happen here as it did in the USA, and the citizens will all start voting for Senator Pauline Hanson, who has the similar ideologies the President elect Mr. Trump.

They are also frightened the days of them being able to influence what other people can say & what other people can do is ending - their victim mentality ruse is coming to an end.

 

It was an honest critique. You do have a fair bit of knowledge and......okay half the time run off on a ramble that requires a little bit more reasoning. I do enjoy reading your posts even though I disagree with you most of the time.... . No I don't know the answers most of the time but I love ensuring that those that think they know, do know!

Now on popularity......you have no popularity if you have no approval. Approval isn't forth coming if one isn't popular. Popularity is the measure of ones approval.

Ronald Reagan was a popular president who had high approval. Bill Clinton was a popular president with a high approval. Richard Nixon was unpopular with a low approval rating. George H Bush was unpopular with a low approval rating. George W Bush was unpopular with the lowest ever approval ratings. Now where does that leave Obama?

You see popularity and approval stick together like the river to the sea(Whispering Jack).

 

Just on the racism thing. Yes, we have been subjected to a lot of pressure which has hammered would-be bigots who have felt unable to express their feelings. Apparently Trump's success has emboldened the bigots to be able to be outright bigots instead of quiet bigots. Only one way to stop that. Education. Not oppression. "Oh you can't say that." "I'm not a racist but..." I want to see these gone. I want people to not want to use those phrases. I want the need to use those phrases to disappear because no-one feels it necessary to use them.

I don't want people not to talk about "abos", "coons", "gins" , "wogs", "dagoes", and all the rest of it because they are frightened to do so. I want people to realise there's no need for it.

 

Where you see bigots. I see a down-trodden group of adults, who have been treated like small children for decades, and told what they can say to another person, and when to say. The only bigots I see, are the do-gooders who have instigated this mess for their own self-righteousness, and who have claimed moral superiority over everyone’s BORN right to free speech.

Why should some self-righteous nobody have the right to tell another adult what they can and cannot say to another adult. Who the hell died and made these do-gooder warriors the “word Police”?

When did adults suddenly turn into a bunch of thumb sucking babies and get offended by every word and phrase that is said to them?

Maybe its time to grow up, and start acting like adults, and not a bunch of big spoilt babies.

What happened to the “old adage”: “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me”?

 

Where you see bigots. I see a down-trodden group of adults, who have been treated like small children for decades, and told what they can say to another person, and when to say. The only bigots I see, are the do-gooders who have instigated this mess for their own self-righteousness, and who have claimed moral superiority over everyone’s BORN right to free speech.

Why should some self-righteous nobody have the right to tell another adult what they can and cannot say to another adult.

Who the hell died and made these victim mentality do-gooder warriors the “word Police”?

When did adults suddenly turn into a bunch of thumb sucking babies and get offended by every word and phrase that is said to them?

Maybe its time to grow up, and start acting like adults, and not a bunch of big spoilt babies, who cannot deal with the situation that someone actually doesn't like them.

What happened to the “old adage”: “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me”?

 

Not to start an argument Culldav but:

"Why should some self-righteous nobody have the right to tell another adult what they can and cannot say to another adult. Who the hell died and made these do-gooder warriors the “word Police”?"

Wouldn't this argument also apply to same sex marriage? I mean you are advocating that, why does one person believe they have the right to sit in judgement of another? Aren't you?

Maybe food for thought........

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs

Im offended by what he said...who cares.....

 

Perhaps Gillian Trigg can take this up for you under section 18D....

 

It would be interesting to discuss a legal defence to a civil suit under this section.
The defence of 'fair comment" comes to mind against a suit for defamation.
But this is not defamation.
I guess Ill to go back and study the Law of Torts again to refresh my memory...
(Police cannot lay charges under this section)

 

It just shows the weakness of the US Presidential election process. It's ridiculous to have two candidates who approximately 50% of the population loathes. The Primary process is stupid. Why narrow the field so much? They should have an open field, with a preferential vote.

And they seriously need to improve their federal election commission, there's far too much gerrymandering and other bs that goes on. Democrats won the popular vote for President and the Senate, and the votes in the house of reps was won by the GOP but not by that much (about half that the democrats won by in the Senate), and yet the GOP dominates all forms of government. It's pretty ridiculous, and not very democratic.

It wasn't really a victory for the working class either. Sure Democrats lost some of the traditional support they get from unions, but wasn't exactly overwhelming. She just didn't get the votes in key areas, based on the frankly quite stupid electoral college system.

Their whole electoral system needs major reform imo.

White voters victory

USA does seriously need to deal with its debt problems and reign in its foreign policy and military complex, so if he does that all the better for everyone. Protectionism is the only thing I'm worried about from our perspective, not military security. Australia is a major contributor to US security operations and has a strong alliance, don't see that changing. We'll be even more important to the USA if they pull out of their Asian bases.

 

Interestingly Zig old mate it seems that preferential voting has the same mathematical outcome as this round robin type of voting we see in the USA. Sorry I do not have a link for that but I read it in and scientific American magazine. The mathematics was pretty obtuse. The conclusion stuck in my mind as up until then I did not like preferential voting

 

I understand your point. But is it a good thing that our fairly casual bigotry (hey I'm not as pure as I can tell you, wasn't that many years ago that I would use a lot of those words very casually) and sexism (not words so much as attitudes and behaviours on that one) should be encouraged to fade away? I agree that people shouldn't have their thinking and speech policed. I don't like the moral superiority of some of us, it's a new form of priggishness in many ways. But we can all contribute to the effort by getting over it. Why use names to hurt? Are we all ten year olds?

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Ziggy I think the purpose of the electoral college was to avoid - irony warning - the election of a populist president who may become an elected dictator and therefore a threat to the democratic republic. Our American friends may like to correct me on that of course.

 

I can understand America not giving a rats about what Aussies think but hey dude the world actually is concerned if you haven't yet discovered America's place in the world! But America would be unwise to ignore what Australia thinks, which is the macro representation of supposed occurrences in American politics. If America ignores Australia, it is likely to ignore New Zealand, Indonesia, Canada, Norway, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Mexico, South Korea, India, Maylasia, Singapore......etc etc!

 

Don't know what "round robin voting" is, sounds like some form of preferential voting.

The electoral college is outdated, so are the primaries. It's crazy that the presidential election comes down to a choice of two. I suppose they do it to be efficient with party money, but it's not very democratic. They really need to take redistricting away from politicians as well, just begs for gerrymandering.

Only 9% of America chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees

[MENTION=6006]Diuretic[/MENTION]: Well they got that horribly wrong didn't they!

 

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The variables are enormous in terms of outcomes as could be seen here. Rallying the troops is of serious importance due to non-compulsory voting rights.

The system has worked for years and has seen success, and I say this because America has been a success as a country but not that deluded to recognise it could still be more efficient I suppose.

The biggest issue I see is lobbyist. The amount of money that flows through to candidates coffers is astounding. How on earth does anyone run the country fairly when there are big interest groups with mountains of cash to influence. Trump was a political donor and will soon run the place lol! How on earth did America get into the position of cutting out the middle man( Career politician) and voting in the donor?

I like the Westminster system in comparison.

 

The guy was funny but I don't think he was expecting people to embrace as some sort of confirmation biase for their political argument lol. A couple of our posters spend lots of time surfing the net looking for stuff that supports their delusions. I get a giggle seeing the desperation!

 

Im not delusional mate...you're an apologist and always will be...

 

Was I talking about you? Oh, okay then I'll go with that!

Thanks for the compliment. Apologists are seen as bright, intellectual, deep thinking, reasoned individuals who are able to separate hysterical fear from reality.

Yay, I'm an apologist!!! Billy Goat said so!

 

Well if youre an apologist, why dont you dispute some or all of my posts, and prove me wrong...

 

I haven't even looked at your thread for a while or once I realised you were being all hysterical and looking for anything and everything that could be used to support your argument lol! Just having a look at posts it is pretty clear it is one way traffic. Between you and CD you have over 200 posts! So much for discussion on a political forum. You may as well go back to posting pics of chicks in bikinis!