Markets plunge worldwide as Trump surges to the White House

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  1. OverDrive

    OverDrive Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Big Tech stocks down...shows that a fragile 'bubble' is looming!
     
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    Assuming you're correct (since we haven't seen any evidence one way or the other yet), how would being "duped and conned by a charlatan" be materially different from being duped and conned by a criminal hypocrite who lied every time she opened her mouth, committed egregious, STOOPID offenses against national security, and ran the State Department of the United States like a whorehouse for über-wealthy donors to her "Foundation"?

    Oh, and all the while she was schmoozing Bernie's "basement dwellers and baristas" with tantalizing promises of free college, and, pandering to illegal aliens and minorities -- making fun of them at the same time to her bosom-buddies in Wall Street?! Will the real Hilarity Clinton please sit down... before you fall down....

    [​IMG]. "Quick! I'll have another double-shot macchiato!"
     
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    Clinton's lies were few and far between, especially compared to Donald's non-stop pathological lying:

    Trump lies over one year 10/1/15 to 10/1/16


    “Our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever. Ever. Ever."

    Says a tweet he sent out "wasn’t saying, ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was just ‘take a look at" the background of Alicia Machado.

    "I finished" the controversy about where President Barack Obama was born.

    “My opponent has no child care plan."

    Says Hillary Clinton has "not answered a single question" about her immigration plan.

    The number of illegal immigrants "could be 3 million. It could be 30 million."
    Donald Trump is wrong that 'inner-city crime is reaching record levels'

    Says the U.S. election system is "rigged."

    Says Barack Obama "founded ISIS. I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton."

    "Hillary Clinton says she wants to, ‘raise taxes on the middle class.’ "

    "I’m beating (Kelly Ayotte) in the polls by a lot."

    "We have a fire marshal that said, 'Oh we can't allow more people’ ... And the reason they won't let them in is because they don't know what the hell they're doing."

    On gift taking, "Bob McDonnell took a fraction of what (Tim) Kaine took."

    Says Ted Cruz "never denied" his father was photographed with Lee Harvey Oswald.

    "We don't know anything about Hillary in terms of religion. Now, she's been in the public eye for years and years, and yet there's no — there's nothing out there."

    Says Hillary Clinton "has even deleted this record of total support (for the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement) from her book."

    "For the amount of money Hillary Clinton would like to spend on refugees, we could rebuild every inner city in America."

    "The Obama administration was actively supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq, the terrorist group that became the Islamic State."

    "Crime is rising."

    "I wanted to keep it private, because I don't think it's anybody's business if I want to send money to the vets."

    It "is Hillary Clinton's agenda" to "release the violent criminals from jail. She wants them all released."

    "Look, we are at war with these people and they don't wear uniforms. … This is a war against people that are vicious, violent people, that we have no idea who they are, where they come from. We are allowing tens of thousands of them into our country now."

    Says Ted Cruz’s father "was with Lee Harvey Oswald" before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

    "Frankly, (Hillary Clinton) doesn’t do very well with women."

    The 2016 federal omnibus spending bill "funds illegal immigrants coming in and through your border, right through Phoenix."

    Says that when Michelle Fields "found out that there was a security camera, and that they had her on tape, all of a sudden that story changed."

    "Out of 67 counties (in Florida), I won 66, which is unprecedented. It's never happened before."

    "I don't know anything about David Duke."

    Says Ted Cruz "said I was in favor in Libya. I never discussed that subject."

    Says that in the Philippines more than a century ago, Gen. John Pershing "took 50 bullets, and he dipped them in pigs’ blood," and shot 49 Muslim rebels. "The 50th person, he said, ‘You go back to your people, and you tell them what happened.’ And for 25 years, there wasn’t a problem."

    "Don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5 percent unemployment. The number's probably 28, 29, as high as 35. In fact, I even heard recently 42 percent."

    A Trump television ad shows Mexicans swarming over "our southern border."

    President Barack Obama "wants to take in 250,000 (people) from Syria."

    Says crime statistics show blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims.

    "I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

    The federal government is sending refugees to states with governors who are "Republicans, not to the Democrats."

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership "was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone."

    "I never said that" Marco Rubio was Mark Zuckerberg’s personal senator.

    Says Bernie Sanders is going to "tax you people at 90 percent."


    All in the year from Oct 1, 2015 though Oct 1, 2016, all:

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    Says to Hillary Clinton, "You heard what I said about (the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal), and all of a sudden you were against it."

    "NATO is opening up a major terror division. ... I'm sure I'm not going to get credit for it, but that was largely because of what I was saying and my criticism of NATO."

    Says "Hillary Clinton's plan would bring in 620,000 refugees in her first term, alone, with no effective way to screen or vet them. Her plan would cost $400 billion in terms of lifetime welfare and entitlement costs."

    Says Hillary Clinton’s energy agenda "will cost the U.S. economy over $5 trillion"

    Says top Clinton advisers "were pressing" birther movement stories "very hard."

    "I did not support the war in Iraq … The record shows that I’m right."

    "You will learn more about Donald Trump by going down to the Federal Elections" to see the financial disclosure form than by looking at tax returns.

    "I never said" that Muslims would be subject to profiling under his policies.

    "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

    "Our veterans, in many cases, are being treated worse than illegal immigrants."

    "I was totally against the war in Iraq."

    "I released the most extensive financial review of anybody in the history of politics. … You don't learn much in a tax return."

    As governor, Tim Kaine "oversaw a huge increase in illegal immigration, a tremendous increase."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to raise taxes on African-American owned businesses to as much as nearly 50 percent more than they're paying now."

    Says Hillary Clinton is "proposing to print instant work permits for millions of illegal immigrants to come in and take everybody's jobs, including low-income African-Americans."

    "I had previously said that NATO was obsolete because it failed to deal adequately with terrorism. Since my comments, they have changed their policy and now have a new division focused on terror threats."

    "The Obama-Clinton war on coal has cost Michigan over 50,000 jobs."

    Says he saw videotape "of the people taking the money off the plane" to pay ransom to Iran for hostages.

    "Youth unemployment is through the roof."

    "An analysis showed that Bernie Sanders would have won the Democratic nomination if it were not for the Super Delegates."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to essentially abolish the Second Amendment."

    "Hillary Clinton invented ISIS with her stupid policies. She is responsible for ISIS."

    Says as GOP was picking a convention city, "I recommended Ohio."

    "Just look at what the FBI director said about her (Hillary Clinton) — her misconduct is a disgrace and embarrassment to our country."

    "As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton laundered money to Bill Clinton through Laureate Education, while Bill Clinton was an honorary chairman of the group."

    Says Hillary Clinton "filibustered legislation to reform" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Says Hillary Clinton’s immigration platform would "create totally open borders."

    The Benghazi victims were "left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed."

    "Because of Obamacare, you have so many part-time jobs."

    "I was among the earliest to criticize the rush to war (in Iraq), and yes, even before the war ever started."

    Even among "second and third generation" Muslims in the United States, "there's no real assimilation."

    There is "no system to vet" refugees from the Middle East.

    We’ve broken "by millions" the all-time record for votes in a GOP presidential primary election.

    "There are places in America that are among the most dangerous in the world. You go to places like Oakland. Or Ferguson. The crime numbers are worse. Seriously."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to abolish the Second Amendment."

    "You have to be a citizen to vote," but with same-day voter registration, "you have places where people just walk in and vote."

    "We're the highest taxed nation in the world."

    "In the history of Republican primaries, I’ve gotten the most votes in the history of the Republican party."

    ISIS is making millions of dollars a week selling Libyan oil."

    "I was totally against the war in Iraq, saying for many years that it would destabilize the Middle East."

    The Colorado caucus system for selecting Republican delegates is "rigged."

    Says Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio "had it set so that the winner takes everything, because they wanted to make sure that I didn't get anything" in the Florida primary.

    "My numbers are better right now than Ronald Reagan's numbers were with Jimmy Carter."

    Says Ted Cruz distributed the ad showing a nude Melania Trump on a rug.

    Wisconsin’s "effective" unemployment rate is 20 percent.

    "When those restrictions expire (in the Iran nuclear deal), Iran will have an industrial-size military nuclear capability ready to go."

    The Trump Winery near Charlottesville, Va. is the "largest winery on the East Coast."

    Under the Iran nuclear deal, "we give them $150 billion, we get nothing."

    Says the man who rushed the stage at him in Dayton, Ohio, "had chatter about ISIS, or with ISIS" in his social media posts.

    "GDP was zero essentially for the last two quarters."

    Common Core is "education through Washington D.C."

    The wives of the 9/11 hijackers "knew exactly what was happening" and went back to Saudi Arabia two days before the attacks to watch their husbands on television flying the planes.

    Says Mahatma Gandhi once said, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

    Says "the New York Times can write a story that they know is false" yet "they can't basically be sued."

    "We (Trump University) have an ‘A’ from the Better Business Bureau."

    When Mitt Romney chose Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential running mate, "that was the end" of Romney’s chances to win.

    "If it weren’t for me … (illegal immigration) wouldn’t even be a big subject."

    "Right now we’re the highest taxed country in the world."

    "I never once asked that (Megyn Kelly) be removed" as a debate moderator.

    Says Mexico can afford to build a wall because the country's trade deficit with America is billions of dollars.

    Among Syrian refugees and migrants coming into Europe, "there look like very few women. Very few children."

    The five Guantanamo detainees swapped for Bowe Bergdahl are "back on the battlefield."

    Canadian-born Ted Cruz "has had a double passport."

    The 9/11 terrorists' friends, family, girlfriends in the United States "were sent back for the most part to Saudi Arabia. They knew what was going on. They went home, and they wanted to watch their boyfriends on television."

    Says his plan would cut taxes without increasing the deficit.

    Says Ohio Gov. John Kasich "got lucky with a thing called fracking," which "is why Ohio is doing well."

    "Sixty-one percent of our bridges are in trouble."

    Says CIA Director George Tenet told the Bush administration that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack "was coming. So they did have advanced notice."

    "We have the highest tax rate anywhere in the world."

    Among Syrian refugees, "there aren't that many women, there aren't that many children."

    "The birther movement was started by Hillary Clinton in 2008. She was all in!"

    Says Mexico doesn't have birthright citizenship, and Americans are the "only ones" to have it.

    Under the Iran deal: "If Israel attacks Iran … we’re supposed to be on Iran’s side."

    "We have 93 million people out of work. They look for jobs, they give up, and all of a sudden, statistically, they're considered employed."

    "We’re the most highly taxed nation in the world."

    "Some of the things that (Megyn Kelly) said, I didn’t say."

    Illegal immigration "wasn’t a subject that was on anybody’s mind until I brought it up at my announcement."

    Under President Barack Obama, income levels and unemployment numbers "are worse now than just about ever" for African-Americans.


    All in the year from Oct 1, 2015 to Oct 1, 2016, all:

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    And her emails were a overblown mountain out of a mole generated by RW propaganda fabrciation and lapped up by the gullible MSM.

    The only reason you didn't hear the same detail about Trump is that he didn't release his records and the Russians wanted him to be president.

    You've been duped and conned by a charlatan and manipulated by Putin. Congratulations on your win.

    We can only pray that he's not as bad as the last president you all put in office.

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    The m/billionaire establishment elites like Don the Con are celebrating and thanking you for the huge tax cuts your "anti-establishement" candidate is going to give them.

    You've been duped and conned by a charlatan. Congratulations on your win.
     
  4. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    you have been duped by the millionaire and billionaire elitist too, if you think that a good stock market helps the people.

    world banking markets are run by the rich, and when they do good everyone else does bad because they steal and redistribute wealth, instead of creating wealth.
     
  5. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One minute the stocks are booming because Don the Con is going to magically transform, now tech stocks are taking because of the "fragile bubble".

    How lucking we are to have such deep insight on this board.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't say anything about it helping people. It mostly helps the elite establishment m/billionaires.

    Those establishment elite m/billionaires are celebrating the so-called "anti-establishment" candidate's win because they know they got their guy in the WH.

    Face it. Millions of Americans who thought they were getting an "anti-establishment" candidate who cared about them have been duped and conned by a charlatan. And not for the first time.

    Congratulations on your win.
     
  7. OverDrive

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    They are the ONLY group of stocks down, everything else is up!
     
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    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    we weren't doing good under obama, President Trump was the only other choice.

    before the market crash we were doing much better under W Bush for that matter.
     
  9. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If "we" means the m/billionaires, yes, they were doing great under Bush before the crash.

    Not so much middle class folks. The economy was subpar even before the crash.

    But as we now know, it was built on a house of cards. Or unregulated derivatives and subprime mortgages.
     
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    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    there was no inflation or so much government printing of money, a dollar went further under W Bush before the market crash.

    looking back it was the wall street liberals that made everything bad, now President Trump is making taxes higher on wall street, but cutting taxes for every other rich person.
     
  11. OverDrive

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    DOW now up @noon by 270pts.......oh the humanity!
     
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    DOW closes at record high!!!
     
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    Wall Street welcomes Trump with a bang -> http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/09/investing/dow-jones-trump-wins-election/

    Stocks may fare better today than they did in the last two elections
    -> http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/stoc...-than-they-did-in-the-last-two-elections.html


    One hour ago:
     
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    I know the words rhyme, but you do know that it takes a 1,000 millions to make billion?
    You sound like a parrot repeating propaganda.
    I most definitely think the middle class will do better under Trump than it would under Hillary. The Left is deeply infected by the De-Growthers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrowth
    Hillary got beat by Weiner's weiner.
     
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    I have done well in the market in my lifetime. In fact, well enough to retire without having saved enough to do so. However, trump's economic policies, including tariffs and protectionism, trade barriers, global market retaliations, trade wars with China, and if you believe him, his intentions to shut down Ford, has convinced me to get out of the market. I start selling 11/11/16, a measured amount per day, until I am 100% cash.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. Do you have some point?

    Exactly what propaganda do you claim I am repeating?

    Good for you. Don the con is a charlatan who is very effective in duping and conning people.

    More like the FBI's Comey and the commie Putin.

    He thanks you for your service to the Federation.
     
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    Did you buy? You'd be a richer sonagun.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not the worst idea I've ever heard. At least enough cash to get by for a few years.
     
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    The majority of US stocks are owned by retirement plans, endowments, etc., not by wealthy individuals.

    It is sad that you are against those who have saved and invested for their retirement.
     
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    You're wrong. The vast bulk of equities are owned by the richest.

    It is sad that you are against those who work hard and see their efforts taken by the m/billionaire class.
     
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    And yet he wiped the floor with the Democrat nominee. I think Bernie would have beat him. Too bad the DNC ran a rigged contest for Hillary.

    Not Smart!
    I thought the Left loved Commies, what happened?
    Hillary was the Empire, I voted for the Rebellion.
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    DOW this week was flat but up up up since election!

    DOW following 2016 elections.jpg
     
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    Strange you claim this and try to hold trump's win responsible. Apprantly you don't really invest.

    Before all the votes were counted, the dow futures had dropped around 800 points. The morning after, they started about even with the previous days' close, then progresses to record highs- followed by huge gain the following days. I was fully prepared to see sizeable drops a the emotions roiled the market. Instead, I made a lot of money and have several stocks that made big jumps.
    The DOW is about neutral this morning, sitting just short of 19,000. Nothing but good news for me.

    Apparently, the investors- who constantly consider the political impacts on business and market values- feel strongly that the future has taken a very positive turn. I've seen gains in some of stock that have made my jaw drop... and the stock that haven't gone up haven't gone down significantly. So far, Trump's win has been very beneficial to the American market.
     
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    most people now know that the establishment is who created the environment for the rich to profit from rigged derivatives.

    so both rich democrats and republicans were responsible for bad market conditions, this rally assumes a free market instead of a crony market from the past with President Trump.
     

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