Global warming just ended

There is no requirement for those $2T to come back here to fund a Trump supply side recovery. GovCo policy since Reagan (and including him) appears to be just a borrowing frenzy.

Trump has done no such thing yet, so it seems a bit premature to decide what he'll do..unless you are him of course. And the stock market thought predatory lending and manufacturing fake financial products was a good idea...right up until it didn't. No great insight of value on particulars there.

I'm guessing that there is a path Trump can take (not required to be the one he sold the flyover people on) that will get growth going again, but I'm not sure it is related to protectionism. Might be, the US is in somewhat of a unique position in its ability to be self sustaining in most regards, but protectionism usually requires higher costs of such protection get passed on to the consumer. Think...what happened back when the Big Three had a captive market and could just sell expensive, lousy quality cars to consumers, until another competitor came in and not only forced efficiency and improvements across the board, but kept costs down for these better products as well. The consequences of that non-protectionalism are still with us to this day.

 

It doesn't. The seas have risen some 300+ feet since the end of the last ice age, getting all flustered over something that has been going on since before humans invented the wheel seems a bit late to the party. People were ignorant of paleoclimate history, built their cities, and now will deal with the consequences. Fortunately, humans have proven extremely adaptable to the warmer world they were given about 15k years ago, and a single trip to Canada, and some experience with how badly some of those folks want to move south to be a bit warmer (almost collected a wife that way) is quite convincing as to the desirability of a warmer clime.

 

With the help of the friendly natural gas industry, and the development of clean burning, inexpensive and quite abundant methane to replace coal fired power generation. So Trump would need to make sure that this type of cleaner energy development continues as well. Harold Hamm for Energy Secretary!

 

And the corresponding temperature change that accompanied them? They don't like discussing that...and won't...until the archaeologists discover the remnants of those coal fired power plants that must have caused it anyway!

 

Obama's economic policies didn't cause the recession that lasted well into 2009. We have had six straight years of 3.8% GDP growth under Obama's economic policies despite opposition from the Republican controlled Congress. If Trump can't do better, then Republicans will have no one to blame.

 

The recession lasted 3 quarters and ended 7 years ago. The claim that we have had 6 years of 3.8% gdp growth is preposterous. What is the source for that ?? Unless that figure is dishonestly not corrected for inflation. Obama will be the first President in history to never have a achieved annual economic growth greater than 3%.

 

The +15C global temperature change after the last glacial cycle was spread over thousands of years, long before human civilization even began. We've seen +1C warming in just the last century, and everything tells us the next century will see even more. While humans might be able to adapt to these changes, many of the other species we depend upon cannot.

 

One of Trump's highest priority actions is to bring that money back into the US economy. The funds will be used for capital investments incentivized by the supply side tax rate reductions and regulation reductions.

Trump's policies have nothing to do with protectionism. They are focussed on reducing the costs of production in the US thus improving our price competitiveness globally and correcting any/all trade restrictions which exist on US exports to other countries.

The housing bubble and resulting financial crisis were caused by gov housing, monetary, and banking regulations.

 

The globe has warmed ~ 0.8 deg C in the time period from 1850 to the present. We have experienced during that ~ 160 years 3 periods of warming and 3 periods of cooling each of which are ~ 30 years in length. Two of the warming periods and one of the cooling have taken place at constant CO2 concentration. Two of the cooling periods and one of the warming periods have taken place at increasing (~ 40% total) CO2 concentration. The species which survived the Roman and Medieval Warm Periods will do just fine.

 

And I'm sure a consensus of Trump supporters are Young Earth Creationists who believe that The Flinstones is historically accurate.

The TRUTH is that AGW is real. We're all going to pay the price for this election.

 

Now, now let's not play the Flintstones card. Humans can continue to make use of fossil fuels to support their lavish lifestyles and the planet isn't going to fly out of orbit and exit the solar system any time soon. I'd like to see the looks on the faces of wacko environmentalists when fossil fuels are outlawed and they have to ride their bicycles to work and rub two sticks together to start a cooking fire.

 

Even if you deny AGW, you can't deny the reality of peak oil. There's only so much oil in the Earth and the time will come when we can no longer meet global demands. We need to be adults here and focus on developing and improving alternative energy sources.

You think we'll be using fossil fuels in the 24th century? We'll either be livinf in a Mad Max world or we'll have long since developed alternative energy.

 

Those darned deplorables !!

 

Only in red America is science open for "debate" by scientifically illiterate people.

 

There's only so much oil on the planet? Where were you when North American shale oil brought the Saudis to their knees? Even if you ignore that we'll be getting resources from comets and asteroids by the 24th century anyway.

 

Per the NBER, the recession started in December 2007 and ended in June 2009, spanning 18 months or six quarters, not three.
Per the BEA, GDP was $14,340B in June 2009 when the recession ended and $18,651B as of Sep 2016. When you calculate the growth rate you get 4.3% annually (my previous calculation was slightly off).

 

When you look at the temperature data for the last two centuries, there is a 30 year variability to warming and cooling trends. That is why climate averages the data over 30 year periods to see the trends that underlie this natural variability. What the data shows us is that there is an underlying exponential growth to global mean temperature that is quickly exceeding anything natural variability can explain. This exponential growth correlates perfectly with the exponential growth in atmospheric CO2 that has also been measured over the last two centuries.

 

We don't have an infinite supply of fossil fuels, and the more we burn the more we destroy the atmosphere. If you can't accept that, then we cannot see eye-to-eye and our only hope is to keep idiots like Trump and Palin out of power as much as possible, and to thwart them as much as possible when they do ascend to power.

We can't compromise with reality. Gay people deserve to marry, aborting a microscopic fetus is not murder, and AGW/ocean acidification are real.

 

Oh how I wish you people could get your way and make gasoline and fossil fuel energy so expensive people can't afford to drive personal cars or heat their homes. They won't stand for it long believe me.

 

What we want is a gradual shift from fossil fuels to alternative energy. This can't happen unless we as a society advance these new technologies.

And no, the "free market" won't do it. We need government and the private sector working together on this one.

 

You mean like Obama's half billion dollar failed Solyndra solar power investment? How many clean energy insiders you think got rich off of that one? And how about those wind farms off of Marthas Vineyard that never got built because they would spoil the view, what about those?

 

It's like you want to argue just for the fun of it. What is your solution? Just keep on chugging away and pretend nothing needs to change?

 

My solution is develop new, cheaper, cleaner energy sources and quit being such dicks about it.

 

If you think AGW is that bad why did you have children to make it worse and die from it?

 

One of them might come up with a solution