Evangelicals, Morality, Liberty

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  1. CrazyAl

    CrazyAl New Member

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    The evangelicals are losing because young adults are more concerned with liberty than religion or morality. My mom is 80. She is the last of the old fashioned. Churches are switching to contemporary services at different times.
    While church is a great place for kids to grow up it doesn't prepare them for life in the USA. I myself am disillusioned with the faith after being forced to church until I was 18. I have known too many preachers personally.
    Listen to this theory.
    Sodomy is preached against in the Bible, many verses.
    It is illegal in a lot of states.
    If people actually believed in a deities presence they would not be able to become aroused anymore than if someone was standing there watching.
    Everybody does it.
    IT proves to me no one actually believes.
     
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    yguy Well-Known Member

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    That's because they don't understand the meaning of any of those, and imagine, among other things, that liberty and morality are separable.
     
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    Sodomy is not illegal in any state. The Supreme Court overturned laws against it more than a decade ago.
     
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    Yeah, these old religious laws were instituted in regards to health in a time before antibiotics and modern medicine. Sodomy can get you a urinary tract infection which can spread to the kidneys, which can kill you. Same goes with dietary laws. It became a sin to eat certain things, that probably at one time caused some illnesses, like shellfish, pork, (under cooked) etc. Other laws like the one against homosexuality could hinder births, and adding new people to the tribe was essential. Of course laws against adultery were common sense laws ,for if people didn't do it, there would be less chance for fights and murders. Same goes with stealing, for theft of food could literally make the victim starve.

    SO today if someone gets sick from sodomy, he can go and get some pills and a shot to cure him, so he will not risk death. Also remember veneral diseases are very old. No sex outside of marriage kept the rate of VD down. Remember disease was a major threat to human populations in the ancient times. So if God told you not to indulge in specific behavior it might work better than your mother telling you to leave the neighbor girl alone. LOL
     
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    Liberty and morality ARE inseparable.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hillary Clinton is an evangelical. Evangelicals are pushing for more progressive immigration reform. I think the only thing losing is the antiquated notion of what evangelicals believe.
     
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    Well yeah, that was pretty much the point.
     
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    If liberty and morality are inseparable, why does it take two words to describe them?
     
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    There is a new religion being taught the youth that leaves them inadequately prepared to deal with the real world. Safe spaces, rewards even if you fail, expecting things to happen just because you want them.
     
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    Even neglecting that "liberty" and "morality" are not, even in a rough sense, particularly descriptive of what they represent, the question makes no sense. It's like asking why two facets of a diamond are inseparable as long as it remains intact.
     
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    You are right, but you know what? They made it legal so they wouldn't have to explain why they weren't hunting down homosexuals.
     
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    You are right on a lot of levels. Jesus and Santa Clause.
     
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    Then why use the words "liberty" and "morality" in the first place?

    Poor analogy is poor. Each facet of a diamond uses the same word to define it, i.e., "'facet' on a diamond".
     
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    They made it legal because the government should not be in the business of jailing consenting adults for things they do in their bedrooms.
     
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    Because they're different aspects of the same thing, just as federalism and separation of powers are different aspects of the Constitution.

    Unless, of course, one is referring to particular facets of a diamond.
     
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    Not many in the Skeptic's Annotated Bible the annotator found only 25 Homosexual Referencing Verses if one takes various ones alluding to it, while there are 1541 verses of Injustice and 1316 Verses of Cruelty and Violence in comparison as several bad categories these two of the big ones. And many of these are lumped into the former ones since those tend to be the kill the homosexual sort or acts of viciousness such as Sodom and Gomorrah slaughtering said people for no crime a civilized person would consider a crime.

    So lets see if the Bible is so faulty and Christians follow it then they are immoral. Either they obey it to the letter this god being immoral by all civilized standards and are immoral or refuse to then are then are immoral to the will of their god. This Biblical god doesn't change so the OT acts and commands of god as listed is the same god in the NT and so as a moral work the Bible is severely flawed.

    So Christians if they claim to be Bible Believing Christians are screwed either way. :roflol:
     

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