Please, my friends, give me three reasons . . .

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  1. Phoebe Bump

    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    why states matter.

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    I myself have resided in 4 states, Arizona, California, Wisconsin and Indiana. I'm an Arizona Wildcat and Green Bay Packer fan. Other than that, I couldn't have given a (*)(*)(*)(*) less what state I was in at the time.
     
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    Belch Well-Known Member

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    They matter because states formed the federal government. Not the other way around.
     
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    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    That's not a reason. It's only ancient history. But give me one reason if you cannot do three.
     
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    Belch Well-Known Member

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    No need for three. The federal government exists only because states allow it to exist, so your question is backwards. Why should the federal government exist?

    If Trump can't turn it around, then we'll have to get rid of it.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    I don't know about three reasons but I can think of one really good one. It allows people of like mind to live under laws they support. Or better yet, here are thousands of reasons - every law that varies from State to State. For example, on the West Coast we have legal pot. But a lot of red States probably wouldn't like that.

    In the West we are all about personal choice and liberty. A lot of red States want the laws to be based on the Bible [the Christian version of Sharia Law].
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only red states matter since they are the ones who get to make all the laws for the next two years.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ancient history? It is current history. Only authoritarians believe the central control is the best option.
     
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    1) The Constitution.
    2) The Constitution.
    3) The Constitution.
     
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    1) States permit a 50 size fits 50 policy instead of a one size fits all. Local autonomy matters. They are laboratories of democracy. NH has no helmet laws so MA can see what it's like before they consider doing the same. If AZ citizens feel strongly about cannabis legalization they can move up to CO.

    2) more local government means a greater representation in the legislature. In Congress each representative has 700000 citizens. In the NH House each representative has 3000 citizens. This gives each citizen a much greater say in what their representatives actually do. Read "The Articles of Confederation" by Progressive historian Merrill Jenson, he makes a compelling case for small scale democracy.

    3) Competitive federalism encourages competition to attract citizens and businesses.
     
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    I wish I always put as much thought into my posts as you did here.
     
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    LICE Trump will not turn anything around and we will get rid of the Federal Government.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thankyou?

    :hug:
     
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    Keep up the good work.
     
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    RedStater Active Member Past Donor

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    I'll answer your question WITH a question:

    Why do nations matter?
     
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    Let me guess, you want to get rid of electoral votes.
     
  16. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the U.S., governing is supposed to be handled as locally as possible. States only handle what local governments cannot. The federal government only handles what the states cannot (and within the limits of the Constitution).

    If liberals want to change the Constitution, they can try to do that. Good luck.
     
  17. undertheice

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    the problem is that to these drones they don't. it starts with the collectivist notion that the individual's only value is his/her utility to the collective. while they will protest and deny this uncomfortable truth, the actions and consequences of collectivism have proven it throughout history. the more of these "useful" individuals, the larger and stronger the collective. no states means one even larger and stronger collective. no nations means one massive collective, stronger than anything that came before it. the error is, of course, at the very beginning of this train of thought, the individual does indeed exist and each one is entirely different from the next. each individual is the product of its environment and culture, just as each culture in each area has been created by its history. no centralized control can ever adequately represent all these varied cultures, all these varied individuals.

    perhaps the op is simply too obtuse to have noticed the variations of the populace in each of those states or maybe it's just a case of not caring about those around him/her. i can guarantee that there is quite a difference between the folks in california and those in indiana. i've noticed it and i've only passed through wisconsin and indiana, never staying long enough to do more than grab a couple of meals or perhaps spending the night at some motel along the way. even traveling from california to arizona, a place where i have spent some time, i've witnessed a marked difference. and it isn't just about the people involved, but the environment as well. even the governance of a large state like california becomes a balancing act, with a dozen varying environments across the state.

    the problem we have with the open borders crowd and these damn authoritarian collectivists is that they see to consider the single most responsive form of governance, the city-state, a useless anachronism and the notion of a one world government as the highest form of rule. well it isn't. in fact it's little more than the wet dream of tyrants and a sure fire path to destructive anarchy. such far reaching power over so many, when placed in the hands of the distant few, can only fail to meet the needs of the people and the natural response to such failure is the inevitable rebellion and following chaos. history has given us many example of regimes that attempted to rule their "known worlds" and the outcome has always been the same, the revolt of those who saw their own needs ignored "for the greater good".
     
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    In CA, they have personal income tax and sales tax and strict gun laws.

    In OR, they have personal income tax and no sales tax, and it is a "shall issue" CCW state.

    In WA, they have no personal income tax, but they have sales taxes and high fees for things.

    Different states have different ways of funding education.

    Different states have different criminal laws. Some are death penalty states; some are not.

    People in the U.S. want to govern themselves as they see fit in their states.
     
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    Deep. Factual. I like.

    I was hoping the OP would respond with some collectivist, pluralist tripe so I could unleash a similar screed! (Undoubtedly with a similar amount of 50-cent words...)

    Anyway - glad you're "there for me"!
     
  20. undertheice

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    living in texas, you really don't need anyone to be "there for you". me, i've lived my whole life in the socialist republic of california, watching as it became more of a third world pest hole with every passing year, and i can use all the help i can get. luckily there are a lot of us under the ice here, existing in a grey market paradise of our own making and dreading the day we have to consider our state tijuana norte.
     
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    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    1) States are economically diverse.

    2) States are demographically diverse

    3) States are geographically diverse (which affects the State's economy).
     
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    I do know exactly what you mean. I spent nearly six years of my 25-year career in the Monterey area.

    That place is so beautiful...but infested with so many nasty, arrogant, mind-locked people.

    I have never felt like more of a third-class citizen in my life!

    Every time I'd go off-post in uniform, I'd get those condescending looks and hear the snide comments.

    It did steel my resolve though. It took a lot of fortitude to keep on wearing that uniform proudly & quietly as I helped provide the protection they needed so they could loathe me for all I stood for.

    That's the irony that took some getting used to: dedicating the prime years of my life ensuring they had the right to protest my very existence.

    I'm glad "most" of the rest of the country isn't so backward.

    Keep on keepin' on, brother!
     
  23. Zorro

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    That is an excellent post:
    One way we could improve our Democracy, big time, is to break down some of these larger states into smaller states, for exactly the reasons stated by Steady Pie.
     
  24. thintheherd

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    I'm still waiting for the OP to give us three reasons why they *shouldn't* exist.
     
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    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    I have yet to hear of someone turning down a job in another state because they disagree with the laws in that state.
     

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