5 Reasons Barack Obama Will Be Viewed As One Of The Worst Presidents of All Time

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  1. Wehrwolfen

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    5 Reasons Barack Obama Will Be Viewed As One Of The Worst Presidents of All Time​



    By John Hawkins
    Dec 03, 2016

    Compiling a list of reasons why Barack Obama is a terrible president seems like a project for a book rather than a column. However, when we start looking at the catastrophic mistakes he’s made that may reverberate for years to come, it’s clear that he’s been a disaster for America on a scale that few other Presidents can match. Just look at his record.

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    http://townhall.com/columnists/john...-of-the-worst-presidents-of-all-time-n2254303

    John Hawkins lists only five reasons. Mr Hawkins is much too generous. Obama's legacy will contain a much longer list of his non- accomplishments and failures.

    1) Nearly Doubling The National Debt
    2) Unleashing The Genie From The Nuclear Weapons Bottle In The Middle East
    3) Facilitating Illegal Immigration
    4) Encouraging Racial Polarization
    5) Losing A War We Had Already Won In Iraq​


    IMO, there are several other reasons why Obama is the worst president ever. A few of them are:
    • Undermining and weakening the American military
    • Allowing the genocide against Christians in the middle east
    • Encouraging violent attacks on Law Enforcement Officers and inviting #BLM thugs to the White House
    • Providing guns to Mexican drug cartels
    • Poisoning America's relationships with Russia, Great Britain and many other countries
    • Encouraging drug trafficking in the U.S.
    • Encouraging companies to send American jobs overseas
    • Causing the VA to mistreat veterans

    The writer, Hawkins did clarify that it should have been a book as opposed to a mere column. Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like George Washington. The left continues to whine that Trump is not qualified. The most unqualified person ever to hold the office of President will be leaving shortly.
    Our Snake Oil Salesman in Washington stole 2 trillion from the treasury with nothing to show for it with his 'Porkulus' and shovel read Jobs, wrecked the healthcare system, flooded the country with illegals and criminals, created the worst race relations in the country since the 60s, and is ultimately responsible for the death of American G.I.'s and police officers. He has been a failure from day one.
     
  2. creation

    creation New Member

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    Interesting. But none of the above happened. Most are outright untruths.
     
  3. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well they ARE the truth. You denial does not change anything. Wise up to the truth.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Truth:

    Obama told us in 2008 and under his rule for the last eight years less 48 days has run up the National Debt nearly double.
    "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from 5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents -- number 43 added 4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over 9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back -- $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic."
    National Debt on January 21,2009 was $10.7 Trillion. National Debt today December 3, 2016 is $19.9 Trillion that is nearly double from when Obama took office. Are you claiming it's not true?
    While Joe Biden has told us, "I am very optimistic about…Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government". Again, the results of the tuck tail from Iraq ordered by Obama completely counter to all logic has ignited the chaos we see in the Middle East today. Are you claiming this is false?
    One can only believe that you have been totally brainwashed or live in a deep, deep hole under a rock.
    I have shown you the facts in two points the others follow as truth. Unless you can factually show different in each case one could claim you're just blowing smoke.
     
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    1) Nearly Doubling The National Debt
    2) Unleashing The Genie From The Nuclear Weapons Bottle In The Middle East
    3) Facilitating Illegal Immigration
    4) Encouraging Racial Polarization
    5) Losing A War We Had Already Won In Iraq

    Refute any one of them.
     
  6. Gatewood

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    We are now more than 20 trillions dollars sunk into national debt. When Obama took over G.W. Bush had raised the national debt by four trillion dollars to 11 trillion of debt; which was a huge and shocking national burden and which for that alone Bush should go down in history as one of the nation's worst presidents. Obama essentially doubled that debt. Obama is bad . . . cubed.
     
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    Obama inherited a steaming pile of manure, he turned that pile into a steaming fly encrusted maggot infested mountain sized heap of manure
     
  8. AmericanNationalist

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    Had the Tea Partiers not gotten into government in the 2010 mid-terms wave, it would have been even worse. The Nation had spoken against eight years of policy they didn't like, and violent rhetoric that accomplished/accomplishes nothing but riling their base.
     
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    What fascinates me is that after Bill Clinton lost control of the Legislative Branch during HIS mid term elections, he read the writing on the wall and adjusted as president, opting for Triangularization as a policy, which just meant COMPROMISE with the Right.

    Obama on the other hand simply doubled down on policies that clearly the bulk of the populace were rejecting. They still liked Obama just fine as a figurehead, but they flat out rejected most of his policies and that of the increasingly strident and vitriolic Left. The Left ignored unfolding reality. Now they have paid a heavy price for their arrogance and blindness.
     
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    The tweedle dee's and tweedle dum's still believe in fact, that their policies are the "new nation" and that "we got duped" as Paul Krugman wrote for the NYT(in defense of the worst bill in American history: The ACA). What Krugman doesn't get is: No, we wanted this. We don't want the worst law in US History, where even if we benefit from it temporarily, we stand to lose wealth in the long-run if we dare to climb the economic ladder. The ACA is an economic depressor that ultimately backfires against itself.
     
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    Increasingly Paul Krugman seems to be in a long term process of losing his mind. I say this not in jest. I read some time ago that he went from being Obama's golden child of economics to someone that Obama would no longer accept calls from. Something inside Krugman's skull seems to have snapped.
     
  12. creation

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    Lol. No in fact it's mostly nonsense. Take the debt issue. Go ahead and show us a graph.
     
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    Which ones ?

    I don't see it.
     
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    I find it likely that even the OP will look back four years from now and wish the current President could have stayed to prevent what happened when he left....even though he will NEVER say it out loud.
     
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    Funny that number 1 on his list for why Barack Obama will be viewed as one of the worst presidents ever:

    1) Nearly Doubling The National Debt


    When you consider that in light of the fact that Ronald Reagan TRIPLED the nation debt during his years...

    ...I wonder what you get????
     
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    1) Nearly Doubling The National Debt Mostly due to Bush's disaster
    2) Unleashing The Genie From The Nuclear Weapons Bottle In The Middle East never happened
    3) Facilitating Illegal Immigration Mostly due to Bush's disaster
    4) Encouraging Racial Polarization Mostly due to republican race-baiting and hatred of Obama's color
    5) Losing A War We Had Already Won In Iraq Total bunk.

    "IMO, there are several other reasons why Obama is the worst president ever. A few of them are:


    • Undermining and weakening the American military How did he do that? He didn't.
    • Allowing the genocide against Christians in the middle east never happened
    • Encouraging violent attacks on Law Enforcement Officers and inviting #BLM thugs to the White House never happened
    • Providing guns to Mexican drug cartels That was a Bush plan that continued for a while
    • Poisoning America's relationships with Russia, Great Britain and many other countries never happened
    • Encouraging drug trafficking in the U.S. never happened
    • Encouraging companies to send American jobs overseas That was the work of every president since Clinton
    • Causing the VA to mistreat veterans THAT HAPPENED UNDER BUSH!!



    All lies. Good righty job.
     
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    Let's go down the list.

    "1) Nearly Doubling The National Debt"

    This is a popular shibboleth for the far right wing. It is based on the fact that the Federal budget deficit reached its peak in 2009. It ignores the fact that the Federal Fiscal Year runs from October 2008 to October 2009. Most of the spending decisions for the 2009 fiscal year were actually made in the last year of the Bush Administration. Of course, the economy was in freefall, and entitlement spending was climbing rapidly as 750,000 people were losing their jobs every month. The deficit has dropped every year of the Obama Adminstration.

    It was actually George W Bush who doubled the national debt in his time in office.

    "2) Unleashing The Genie From The Nuclear Weapons Bottle In The Middle East"

    This makes no sense at all. Only one nation in the Middle East was working on nuclear weapons when Obama came into office. Thanks to a tough regimen of sanctions, which were supported by the EU, China and the Russians. Iran agreed to do away with its centerfuges, and limit their stock of fissionable material to around 600 pounds, far less than would be needed to build a bomb.

    Of course, Mr Trump wants to repudiate the deal. Iran has made it clear that they will do exactly the same thing North Korea did after George W Bush threatened them. They're going to build a bomb.

    "3) Facilitating Illegal Immigration"

    This is false. Illegal immigration to the US has nearly stopped. Net illegal immigration is near zero. Border resources have been doubled under the Obama Adminstration. Playing the Mexihate card appealed to the bigots in Trump's base. But it was a fact free fake issue.

    "4) Encouraging Racial Polarization"

    The Obama Adminstration did not encourage racial polarization. Roger Ailes did. Race baiting in right wing media started long before Obama became President. Obama deliberately did not pursue an Afro centric policy, contrary to the claims of people who have no real objective reason to hate Obama other than the color of his skin.

    Obama is not responsible for birtherism. The right is.

    "5) Losing A War We Had Already Won In Iraq"

    The United States lost the war in Iraq before they even started it. Bush had no idea what he was getting into it. But he and Rumsfled were convinced it would be a quick easy victory that could be won on the cheap. Instead, he got a civil war that consumed a trillion borrowed dollars, and left the Middle East in chaos. The blowback has been tremendous, and was predicted by most experts (other than the ones in the Bush camp). When Bush left, he left behind a country in chaos, with a weak and corrupt US installed government.

    All of these claims are false.
     
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    You can forget worrying about the national debt for the next four years.

    Talk radio bobble heads, and Trumpsters will forget about it on cue.

    Trump's tax plan will explode a shrinking budget deficit, just as Reagan and Bush's tax cuts for the rich did.

    And we won't hear a peep out of you and your ilk about it.
     
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    Meh all obama did was create additional complications in syria and mess up the healthcare system all while incurring enough debt to make trump raise an eyebrow.
     
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    You missed Obamacare on top of all that
     
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    Pick one....
     
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    Actually, the thread parent has the burden of proof to prove the claims true, not the other way around.
     
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    I agree with all of these and I would also like to add that Obama was nothing more than a puppet for the 1% of the country to control and he did their bidding and never once ever helped the working class of America.
     
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    On your points:

    "1) Nearly Doubling The National Debt"

    Note that the recession and preexisting Bush policies made a ballooning of the national debt under Bush Jr. made this largely unavoidable. If you look at the yearly federal deficits, they ballooned in 2009 and have rapidly dropped until 2015 when they were even with 2008. Its a bit unfair to blame the debt on the guy that lowered the deficit by about 2/3rds over his term.

    Add to that the fact that Trump ran on a platform of a $10B stimulus bill built on borrowing, and its really hard to pin the debt on Obama.

    "2) Unleashing The Genie From The Nuclear Weapons Bottle In The Middle East"

    Israel had nukes long before Obama, and Iran was pursuing them long before Obama. And Russia and China were undermining any US efforts to curb Iran's efforts: they would be perfectly happy with Iran running to them with US imposing economic sanctions. Are you saying that the US should have simply bombed Iran until it returned to the sand?

    "3) Facilitating Illegal Immigration"

    Obama was heavily criticized among left-leaning circles for deporting more immigrants than anyone before him, by a good margin.

    "4) Encouraging Racial Polarization"

    I see this often and find it so vague that it is impossible to argue. I tend to think that saying "encouraging racial polarization" is the equivalent of saying "was a black president".

    "5) Losing A War We Had Already Won In Iraq"

    Iraq, since Saddam's ouster, was a destabilized mess. That war was never won.

    "Undermining and weakening the American military"

    By signing off budgets that maintained its position as better funded than most of the rest of the world combined?
     
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    I agree with all of these. Mr. Obama's policy failures are dismal, and the effects will be felt for a long time. But perhaps the biggest failure of all is not delivering on the promised "Hope and Change". We Americans are definitely no better off today than we were eight years ago...
     

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