Russian Hackers Aided Trump Campaign

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

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    This case has John Brennan written all over. As with Benghazi he has proven to be a liar and leaker, with his loyalty to the Democrat Party clearly overwhelming his loyalty to the American people.. He, along with he heads of the IRS, the EPA, the DOJ, and others, must be drained from the swamp.
     
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    Dated election cycle nonsense is not very persuasive. It has always been far more likely that the emails were leaked by a DNC insider. Now we know.

    “'Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,' (*)Murray said. 'The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.' He said the leakers were motivated by 'disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election playing field against Bernie Sanders.’”

    “’I don't understand why the CIA would say the information came from Russian hackers when they must know that isn't true,' he said. 'Regardless of whether the Russians hacked into the DNC, the documents Wikileaks published did not come from that.’”
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...termediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html

    Do you suppose that may be why the Office of the Director of National Intelligence has had to reject a "CIA report" that so far no one
    can link to? Does such a "report" even exist? Can you provide a link? ;-)
     
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    Does anyone still believe that the CIA is more credible than WikiLeaks?
     
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    All lies. The fact is that CIA directly talked to Condeliza Rice and warned her of an imminent attack on the US and the Bush administration completely discarded this in the most blatant act of negligence this Country has ever seen. It was only after the U.S was attacked in 9/11 that Bush showed his vast incompetence by totally failing to capture Ben Lauden and letting him escape and by cutting are efforts in half failed in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
    Bush Jr. allowed the murder of American Diplomats and workers in 12 embassy invasions. He butchered 10s of thousands of American soldiers by deliberately choosing to discard the information his most experienced generals. These generals told him the U.S occupying forces in Iraq were to way too small. He did nothing when the insurgents in Iraq began gathering steam. And never bothered to increase the occupying forces until the surge which by then thousand of U.S soldiers were killed or crippled for life and when it was too late. Plus he treated the U.S citizens like the enemy by manufacturing WMD evidence that was very flawed or never existed. He could have been an honest broker with the U.S. but chose other wise. I believe in treating our citizens honestly but you clearly believe in the Stallinesque tactics of Bush Jr.. I believe in keeping our troops as safe as possible but you continue to support the butcher-like incompetence of the Bush Jr. regime. That is the major difference between us.
     
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    Lol I'll put my faith in the links I have already provided while you persist they don' t exist. But I will not have a serious conversation about some jerk who is an anit-american Wiki Leaks operative. Let me explain. Orange -Turd is a lying jackass who has no allegiance to American Institutions or America. His allegiance is only to himself. To that extent he is a Putinist Why you would persist in supporting this racist jackass who makes fun of the handicapped and laughs while he's doing it is between you and your therapist. Let's be clear. I am not a Putinist nor do I follow the anti-American Putinst agenda.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    The Iraq Liberation Act is a lie?

    But now I see you attempt to divert to the 911 attack.

    Stay focused and try again and this time respond to what I posted.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    It was the Obama administration that the power and their duty to do something about it and they didn't. Why? And do you REALLY believe this is the first time the Russians have tried to influence things, that this is something new. WE DO IT TOO.

    But do tell me how was the process subverted and be specific, how did the leaks subvert the process?

    If the NYT got a source inside the Clinton campaign who leak them the emails and they printed them would they be trying to subvert the Democratic process? I mean the effect would have been the same in fact probably worse as the Democrats would not have been able to divert to claims about it being the Russians.

    So what should happen to the NYT for printing such leaked information from an insider?
     
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    No foreign power subverted our democratic process. That isn't even what is being told to us by the propaganda rich left media.

    At WORST, the Russians hacked a private entity, not our government and disclosed that information to the public.

    The main points here are that whomever hacked PRIVATE entities and NOT Government entities.

    There was no meddling with the actual election.

    This unknown party seemingly disclosed REAL information to the American public. This information, this TRUE information, put Hillary Clinton in a bad light.
    It was the job of the American press and media to have found and disclosed such information. Yet it took some suspected Russian entity to do so.

    That is not hacking our election, that is just releasing the truth to the people. And if that truth effected the election, its still on the American people.

    Do you know how many foreign elections the USA has 'influenced"

    It's insane that people are believing this Russian hacking crap. They did us a favor. Maybe an illegal favor, but a favor none the less.

    But they did NOT HACK THE ELECTION!
     
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    The LEFT is a giant lie. There was no hacking of the election. There was a hack of private entities. This was an instance of information happening to make HIllary look bad. Oh well, too bad. It's the truth.

    Then the American people decided what to do with that information.

    The idea that Russia had that kind of influence over "dumb" Americans is insulting to every American voter.
     
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    Wikileaks didn't cost Clinton the election. They merely showed a sliver of the corruption of Clinton, the DNC, and the liberal media. Trump won because he ran a smarter campaign and had a better message. Not to mention the FBI findings of Clintons absolute reckless disregard for laws and security. In fact, it seems that the Democrat party and the Obama administration, on whose watch this all went down, has very little concern for our nations or their own security. So it is better that we have Trump. Now maybe something will get done.
     
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    A response of total B.S. and fear.

    Lol I guess you can longer defend your love of Bush Jr.s Stallinesque techniques against the American People or his incompetent butchering of U.S soldiers.

    Let me know when you grow the guts to respond to my last post:.

    The fact is that CIA directly talked to Condeliza Rice and warned her of an imminent attack on the US and the Bush administration completely discarded this in the most blatant act of negligence this Country has ever seen. It was only after the U.S was attacked in 9/11 that Bush showed his vast incompetence by totally failing to capture Ben Lauden and letting him escape and by cutting are efforts in half failed in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
    Bush Jr. allowed the murder of American Diplomats and workers in 12 embassy invasions. He butchered 10s of thousands of American soldiers by deliberately choosing to discard the information his most experienced generals. These generals told him the U.S occupying forces in Iraq were to way too small. He did nothing when the insurgents in Iraq began gathering steam. And never bothered to increase the occupying forces until the surge which by then thousand of U.S soldiers were killed or crippled for life and when it was too late. Plus he treated the U.S citizens like the enemy by manufacturing WMD evidence that was very flawed or never existed. He could have been an honest broker with the U.S. but chose other wise. I believe in treating our citizens honestly but you clearly believe in the Stallinesque tactics of Bush Jr.. I believe in keeping our troops as safe as possible but you continue to support the butcher-like incompetence of the Bush Jr. regime. That is the major difference between us.
     
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    I believe I already quoted you and also responded. You have yet to answer back.

    You believe it's just fine and dandy to attack the messenger but ignore the more important part, the message (and painful truth)? What part do you not get? Neither the DNC nor the Skankipotimus denied any leaked email content. NONE!! They only whined and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ed that they were intercepted and put out there for God and Country to see. LMAO! Let's put this into perspective. So what if a low lying, rank POS snitch turns in a terrorist to get off a small drug charge...........and saves millions of lives? Is that interfering in any way of our Democratic process and way of life? What is the truth is that the lefttards are butthurt and pissed that anyone exposed their POS rank smelling fraud of a candidate and lost them an election. Tough sheet. Deal with it. It's gonna be a long 8 years.:party:
     
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    In fact the real lies were exposed on Wikileaks and the Left doesn't like it. Too bad.
     
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    This post is so rambling and disjointed that it doesn't deserve a response. It's totally disconnected from reality and doesn't respond to anything I said in my previous posts. This incoherent manner is much like the insane ravings of your dear leader orange. Here's a typical phrase that has nothing to do with any of my posts. per peoshi:"And you do not want to, you simply call yourself a "sanctuary city" and tell your own citizens to go screw themselves if they don't like it!" Lol where did that come from???? Who knows???

    The orange lunar fringe has been let loose. The bottom line is that we have a sociopath for a president elect. He has proven time and again a vast hatred for the handicapped, accomplished women, POWs most immigrants, and when he's not busy he has admitted to Howard Stern that he likes walking into the locker rooms of Miss Teen U.S.A unannounced. This is a foul piece of crap and a disgrace to the office of the Presidency. All 17 agencies have signed off on the Russian interference into our election including James Clapper, So has Fox News , Mitch McConnell other members of congress, Obama and most of the Press. We get these outliers who are babbling on how Trump who is an anti-American Putinist is going to save us. even as he denounces the entire intelligence community for confirming that the Russians have interfered with our U.S. elections
    Donnie's motive? It's simple as much as he enjoys Putin he simply doesn't want Americas to know that the Russians hacked into the opposition's emails so they could be used against them. Just like this sack of crap pretends that he lost the popular vote due only to fake voters. He lost the popular election by over 2million 8hundred thousand votes That's a record and for good reason. But this orange psychopath thinks he won the popular vote by historical margins...Once again the great orange Putinista lies about elections just like his counterpart in Russia.

    But the name hurling at me by my fellow debater is 100% proof positive that he/she is strangling on his/her own vine. That's the only reason you lower yourself to call your opponent names. The only reason. All that's being said here is that donnie is my world and can do no wrong :roflol:
     
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    Bump. The truth will set you free.
     
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    our government keeps secrets from us for our own good, trust in the force.

    lawful government force.

    our new President likes Russia, we cannot accuse them of bad things anymore.
     
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    The denial of basic facts in your post is telling... So unless we went to war directly with Russia, we did nothing is your allegation ... Tell that to the Russians under economic sanctions, with all our European allies.. And Trump has said that Russia won't enter Ukraine, even after they entered Ukraine and annexed Crimea. The ability of conservative to believe their own delusions is amazing.

    - - - Updated - - -

    So should the USA invade and Annex English speaking Canada?
     
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    Are you denying tthe existance of the Iraq Liberation Act?

    And I have no interest in your hyperbolic diversions so calm down.
     
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    No it does not say the White House was hacked. And no the only disagreement between the CIA and the FBI was the reason behind the hacks. Both agencies believe the hacks were by Russia and that the releases of the info from the hacks were solely directed at the Democrats while the hack involved both parties.

    The difference is that the CIA believes that the releases were designed to influence the election while the FBI believes that the evidence does not necessarliy prove a desire to sway the election results.

    And neither the FBI or CIA has said the hacks changed the results of the election.
     
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    Why did Obama unequically state their was no Russian hacking and why did Julien Assaunge state again last night the leaks did not come from a state source?
     
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    No the reason people are concerned is that the integrity of our elections is the basis for belief in our Democratic system.

    The red herring of pretending that the issue is that the results of the election were changed is not supported by what the CIA or FBI has claimed. Nor as far as I know has any Democratic pary leader said the the results of the election were changed by the hacking.
     
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    WikiLeaks is credible. CIA is notoriously incredible. Surely you know that.
     
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    Where did Obama say unequivocally that there was no Russian hacking? Do you have an actual quote with a link?
     
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    No, the people are rightly concerned about the integrity of the Presidential candidates. Hillary Clinton's integrity has been open to question for decades. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/08/opinion/essay-blizzard-of-lies.html
     
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    The "Crooked Clintons" have been notorious bad actors for decades.

    “Many of the Colombian “success stories” touted on the foundation’s website – the ones specific enough for us to track down – were critical about the foundation’s effect on their lives. Labor leaders and progressive activists say foundation programs caused environmental harm, displaced indigenous people, and that it concentrated a larger share of Colombia’s oil and natural gas reserves in the hands of Giustra, who was involved in a now bankrupt oil company that worked closely with the Clinton Foundation and which used the Colombian military a 1984-stylesurveillance program to smash a strike by its workers.” LITTLE GUYS LOSE, The Clinton Foundation left a toxic legacy in(*)Colombia, By Ken Silverstein and The American Media Institute, 10/13/16.
    http://fusion.net/story/357169/hillary-clinton-foundation-victims-colombia/

    And people still wonder why the American working class voted for Trump. It was an easy choice.
     

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