Is Trump crazy or just incredibly stupid?

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  1. CourtJester

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    What exactly do you find honest about physical labor.
     
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    Yeah, we just heard his common sense solution to Syria which is to build safe zones. Hilarious! Perhaps he is envisioning an Aleppo Trump hotel with gold plated faucets.
     
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    This is after 8 years of Obama's presidency, whose policies Hillary fully intended to continue, right?

    Do you even realize that when Hillary started her campaign she, being the quintessential Washington insider, had absolutely no idea that "an "honest hard day's work" won't put food on the table ", Sanders and Trump had to clue her in on the economic issues ailing the country.... Upon finding out about the skyrocketing income inequality in America Hillary of course decided that she needed to attend more fundraisers with the likes of George Clooney, and Soros, with her donors and special interests than initially planned.
     
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    What's hilarious is when you consider obama

    and his ilk are responsible for all of the turmoil

    around the world right now.

    Trump has one hell of a mess to clean up.

    Unlike the community organizer, Trump has

    real experience fixing problems.

    As thus far, Trump will be proven right.
     
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    LOL! You think Hartmann is a "rightest"? You should have clicked the link. It is the hard Left that kills its corrupt failures.

    Many American RP "rightists" supported Clinton. Surely you know that.
     
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    Crazy and stupid pretty much describes Hillary. She was stupid to believe the MSM when they told her she was going to win in a landslide. And then according to several sources she went crazy when she didnt win.
     
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    Is either side willing to take that risk ?..... In my opinion, the answer is a resounding No. In a lot of ways, Mutually Assured Destruction is a great thing.

    Because there is a work of fiction that tells a story where China caught the US off guard and how it subsequently changed America, is of no probative value whatsoever.
     
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    If that's what it has to be, so be it.


    I'd tell them, but unfortunately they don't listen to me.

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    I am confident that, in the event of a nuclear war, nothing that Russia or China can do to the US will in any way prevent our military from using their nuclear weapons on the appropriate Russian and Chinese targets.
     
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    Stopping trade would devastate China and hurt us a little but only as we transition to finding cheaper goods in other nations like Mexico who produce goods even cheaper than China.
     
  10. Kode

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    Right, except for dictators like Putin and Rodrigo Duterte.
     
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    Well then it would appear that any further discussion on this thread between us would be a waste of time for the both of us. :)
     
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    I don't see President-elect Trump being stupid enough to giving the Queen of England copies of his speeches on DVD as a state gift. I don't see him being so pathetic as to bowing to any leader. It is funny to me that you liberals attack Russia, but seem to have forgot that Obama wanted to give them a Reset in relations, because he blamed Bush for things deteriorating between the two countries. How are those relations now? Is it possible that Bush was actually right in how he dealt with Russia? If Obama was so smart, why did he not recognize that Putin was the problem all along?

    While we are talking about it. Would you call Libya a foreign policy win? How about Iran? Syria? Iraq? Mexico? Central or South America? Africa? Personally, I can not think of an actual foreign policy win for the Obama Administration after eight years. So, how did one year of actually serving on some Senate Committees, and then spending the rest of the time campaigning for President, serve him in preparing to be President?

    Think about all the complaints about Trump during his campaign. Do you remember the one where he used Chinese Steal for building Trump Tower? You do realize that he had to negotiate with China to get that steal? I am sure that you have heard the current complaints from your fellow liberal whiners. You know the claim of a conflict of interest because of his international holdings? How do you think that he obtained those holding without having experience in international dealing? The fact is that Trump is far more prepared to be President then your Man-God was.
     
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    They will do a better job creating a business environment where jobs are created than those, like yourself, who view businesses as evil, and believe more regulations on business are the answer.

    Do you think having the highest corporate tax rates in the world. and being the only country that taxes income made outside the country helps create jobs.

    Government is not the answer. The relationship between government and business has been going the wrong direction for a long time, thus the very sluggish growth.
     
  14. Shiva_TD

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    No nation on earth threatens the sovereignty or independence of the United States so "it doesn't have to be" because we would not be defending either our independence of sovereignty as a nation. The only threat the United States faces is an internal threat and it's not coming from immigrants, Mexicans, blacks or Muslims. It is the same threat to the ideology that America was founded upon that has existed for the last 240 years. That threat to the American ideology is and has always been White Nationalism/White Supremacy.

    You're arguably correct because if it isn't good for corporations, good for wealthy investors, and/or good for the Republican Party then they couldn't care less about if something is good for the world, good for people in other countries, good for America, good for the people, good for the environment, or good for nature. I'll take something out of context from Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations where he states, "He (the capitalist) intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention."

    In short Adam Smith is stating that the capitalist's motive is personal greed and when they benefit anyone else it's purely by accident. Republicans are basically the same as the "capitalist" because they actively work for the benefit of the corporations, for the benefit of the wealthy, and for the benefit of the Republican Party and, if by chance, that happens to benefit someone else like the workers of America then it was unintentional and a pure accident. We can also note that with the "invisible hand" there's a 50:50 chance that it will be either good or bad for someone else. It's the flip of a coin where "you can survive another day" or "you go to the poor house" whenever the Republicans are in charge.
     
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    Trump is a man with flaws, who really shouldn't be President.

    Many won't realize that, until he screws us all terribly in the coming months.
     
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    The United States will resort to the first use of thermonuclear weapons if we find that we are unable to conventionally repel a Russian invasion of the European Baltic states, or if we find that we are unable to conventionally repel a Chinese seizure of the territory of one of our Asian allies.

    It may well be however that we could crush either aggressor with conventional weapons.

    Then the question would be whether Russia or China would resort to the first use of thermonuclear weapons after having suffered a decisive and humiliating conventional defeat at our hands.
     
  17. Shiva_TD

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    We've already tried the "Republican solution" in the 1980's. Reagan slashed taxes by 23% for the wealthy (3% for the bottom rung of taxpayers). He cut through regulations eliminating all that he could. He plunged the final death stroke of the dagger into the heart of the unions by firing all of the Air Traffic Controllers using the original "declaration of war on the unions" Taft-Hartley Act from 1947. He removed any impediments to corporate profits.

    So what were the results?

    Well, the corporations thrived recording record profits and they did created new jobs.
    The investors make more money than they ever imagined possible before.
    It even managed to increase federal tax revenues.

    That part of "Supply Side Economics" worked perfectly so what happened to the American workers?

    Between 1979 and 1989 here's what happened to "real wages" for working Americans based upon Republican "Supply side economics"::
    The 10th Percentile saw their real wages decline by 14.6%
    The 20th Percentile saw their real wages decline by 6.7%
    The 30th Percentile saw their real wages decline by 4.7%
    The 40th Percentile saw their real wages decline by 3.3%
    The 50th Percentile saw their real wages decline by 0.6%


    One-half of the American workforce, the ones that really needed more income, the same one's like today that are looking to the Republicans to help them out economically, took it in the rear end so that the corporations and the wealthy investors could rake in the money.

    Donald Trump's tax proposal, you know, the one that alone, without any additional spending authorizations will create over $4 trillion in more national debt, that one, well guess who gets the money? You've got it, 47% of all the money from Trump's proposed tax cut goes straight into the banks accounts of the super-wealthy in America. The poor working stiff in American will be tossed a few pennies when it comes tax time while the super wealthy will be able to purchase that brand new Lear Jet they always wanted to fly around in.....

    Trump can't even save American manufacturing jobs. Carrier and United Technologies announced two plant closures in Indiana that produce HVAC parts. The Indianapolis plant employing 1,400 workers starting in 2017 was to shift it's work to Mexico and the Huntington manufacturing operations, that produces the HVAC controls, was moving to a new plant in Mexico, costing the northeastern Indiana city 700 jobs by 2018. Donald Trump and current Indiana Gov Mike Pense that is the VP elect bribed Carrier with $9 million of Indiana tax money into keeping 800 (of the 2,100 total Indiana) jobs temporarily at the Indianapolis plant while the other 1,300 jobs walk across the border into Mexico. Carrier has already confirmed that many of the 800 jobs left are going to automated in the near future and the employees let go.

    And a lack of manufacturing jobs isn't what's crippling the US economy because manufacturing jobs have never been that significant in terms of providing employment for Americans. In 2014 there were about 12.2 million manufacturing jobs (up from the Bush recession level somewhere in the 11 million range) and in 2024 that will decline to about 11.6 million (as I recall) primarily due to automation. In 2014 there were 120 million service sector jobs almost half of which don't provide enough compensation for a person to support their household, and that's projected to increase to 130 million by 2024. No matter what happens in manufacturing we're still going to have over four times as many jobs in the service sector not providing a living income to the employees.

    If Republican want to repeal legislation that's hurting the American people then they need to start repelling all of the regulations that cut the heart out of organized labor starting with the Republican Taft-Hartley Act from 1947. They need to repeal the "right to work laws" at the state level and all of the other laws that diminished the power of the unions making them next to worthless today in being able to increase worker compensation like they were able to do in the 1950's and 1960's based upon increases in productivity.

    But the friggin' Republicans will never admit that it's their economic agenda that plays favoritism to corporations and investors that has been gutting the real wages of the American workers since 1973 and that it's their agenda originating in 1947 what's causing Middle Class America to slowly disappear from the American landscape.
     
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    I can't wait until electors cast their ballots. Ever since the election I have been hearing Trump is this, Trump is that.

    Soon enough we can just say, Trump is President.
     
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    We would usher in the end of civilization with a first strike using nuclear weapons to defend something other than the American People?

    Republicans like to claim that they support strict enforcement of the US Constitution based upon what is says and the original intent of the founders. I would suggest they read this clause in Article I Section 8:

    "To provide for calling forth the Militia (Military) to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions."

    http://constitution.findlaw.com/article1.html

    The last time I checked the European Baltic states were not subject to the "Laws of the Union" nor are they a part of the United States where an insurrection or invasion will ever take place. The Constitution didn't delegate any authority for the US government to go off and wage wars for other nations. It's the responsibility of the governments of the "European Baltic states" to call forth their own "militia" (military) to :execute "their Laws" and to "suppress their Insurrections" and to "repel their Invasions" because that's not the responsibility of the American people or the American government.
     
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    The Carrier deal set a horrible precedent. Want Proof? Trump didn't repeat the moronic move with other companies. 17 American intelligence agencies concluded in October that Russia was responsible. The CIA and the FBI are in agreement that Russia tried to help Trump by hurting the Clinton campaign.

    The issue related to the Russian hacking of the DNC computers and Podesta’s computer is a moving target. New factors are being reported daily, and some elements of the story told here may be outdated in a manner of hours. That said, it is quite clear that Russia did attempt to influence the election. The issue is whether or not their hacking was designed to promote Trump as our next president.

    First of all, a few facts are in order. Trump has praised the Russian leader. He once stated in an interview with Larry King, “Look at Putin—what he's doing with Russia—I mean, you know, what's going on over there. I mean this guy has done—whether you like him or don't like him—he's doing a great job in rebuilding the image of Russia and also rebuilding Russia period.” During the campaign, Trump appeared on a Russian controlled propaganda network, RT, and criticized the American Commander-in-Chief. In July, Trump encouraged the Russians hackers, “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” Today he is denying that Russia did any hacking. “I don’t believe they interfered. That became a laughing point, not a talking point, a laughing point. Any time I do something, they say ‘oh, Russia interfered.” He added in the form of a tweet, “Unless you catch "hackers" in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking. Why wasn't this brought up before election?” It was brought up several times during the election.

    USA Today writes, “The fact-checking website Politifact says Hillary Clinton was correct when she said 17 federal intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia is behind the hacking. On Oct. 7, the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint statement on behalf of the U.S. Intelligence Community. The USIC is made up of 16 agencies, in addition to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.”

    The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

    Trump’s transition team continues to deny that Russia intervened in the election. Conservative pundits have tried to derail the accusation by saying it is virtually impossible to change the voting results, although no one is saying that.

    The Washington Post reported. “It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favour one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” a senior official said. “That’s the consensus view.” Those same conservative pundits argue there is no proof of that assertion.

    That is true, but in life, as in the court of law, there is what is called circumstantial evidence. The Russians hacked the DNC computers and revealed their embarrassing findings the weekend before the Democratic Convention. The convention was thrown into turmoil; the DNC chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, was fired; and the Sanders people went ballistic. Later, WikiLeaks claimed that it had 50,000 emails and disclosed many of them in the last two months of the campaign. They greatly embarrassed the Clinton campaign. The seventeen intelligence agencies concluded that the WikiLeaks disclosures were provided by Russian hackers.

    Clearly these leaks provided by the Russians severely damaged the Clinton campaign. It naturally follows that the Russian leadership was aiding the Trump campaign. It is time to ask why.

    Why did Putin want Trump as our next president?
     
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    Still another problem I have with Trump is his cabinet picks and choice of advisors.

    Rex Tillerson - SecState. A self-admitted friend of Putin, received the Order of Friendship medal from Putin, a climate skeptic.

    Jeff Sessions - Attorney General. Senator from Alabama and has a history of racism.

    Andrew F Puzder - Labor. Has a history of being anti-labor, opposes minimum wage and supports automation to curtail labor costs. He is the antithesis of Trump's promise to create jobs and increase family incomes.

    James Mattis - SecDef. General in charge of the military. Constitution provided for civilian control of the military.

    John F. Kelly -- DHS. General in charge of the nation's security.

    Mike Flynn -- NSA. General in charge of advising Trump on nation's security. Conspiracy theorist and has used Islamophobic rhetoric.

    Rick Perry -- Energy. In 2012 election campaign he wanted to disband the energy department.

    Ben Carson -- HUD. Has no experience in urban development. Probably a political reward pick. Nice guy, maybe too nice. Warns that subsidized housing fosters dependency.

    Scott Pruitt -- EPA. A climate denier. Opposes Paris Conference on climate.

    Nikki Haley -- UN ambassador. Has no experience in foreign affairs.

    Betsy Devos -- Education. Favors school vouchers over public education.

    Reince Preibus -- Chief of Staff. Excellent choice. Knows his way around Washington.

    Steve Bannon -- Senior advisor. Former CEO of Breitbart News, the soapbox for the alt-right movement.

    David Friedman -- Ambassador to Israel. Opposes two-state solution, backs undivided Jerusalem as capital and has acted for Trump’s failing hotels. Oh-oh!

    During the campaign, Trump sharply criticized Clinton for her Goldman Sachs connections. Goldman Sachs is well represented in Trump's cabinet picks and choice of advisors.
     
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    Putin I can see but Duterte not so much even Trump has standards. And don't you just hate how a slap fight between Mrs. Clinton and Putin ended up costing her the presidency?
     
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    Yes. Without hesitation.


    Our ICBMs may be called minutemen, but they are not part of the militia. They are very much "standing army".


    The Constitution gave the US government the power to go to war for any reason that it feels like.


    We are committed to the defense of our friends and allies, and we will defend our friends and allies.
     
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    He's already saved jobs and made Obumer look like a complete fool. And Trump hasn't even taken office yet.

    Millions of people lost their jobs and remain jobless because of Obama and their stupid economics of forcing
    healthcare onto the back of the taxpayers and job producers and expecting the service to be free. That is
    how liberal math works. Just make a law that everyone gets free healthcare and nobody will have to pay for
    it. Millions of people lost not only their healthcare but their jobs because employers were forced to cut
    payrolls to pay for Obamacare for the employees they could afford to keep.
     
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    It will be interesting to see what happens. The way the press has lefties whipped into a frenzy about the possibility that Russia might have hacked the DNC, you'd think somebody had murdered the baby jesus in his cradle! Now all of a sudden, they're worried about emails... lol!!!

    But I am worried that this election might not be over. I think the democrats might just decide that they're not going to abide by the results of the election, and Obama is more than happy to serve a third term under martial law.

    If they do that, I'm afraid it will tear the country in two. I know they don't care about doing that, and would prefer no country to a country with Trump as president.
     

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