If Climate Change Is Real; Why Are Winters Feeling Colder? Here's Why..

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  1. Silhouette

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    As the atmosphere, which acts like a shield and blanket at the same time, begins to disappear from destructive chemical reactions caused by things men are doing on the earth's surface, you would expect colder winters as CLIMATE CHANGE continues (not "Warming" per se)

    In the Winter, with a thinner "blanket" you would expect colder-colds. In the Summer, guess what we find? Warmer warms as the shield function of our atmosphere thins.

    I guess some people think it's fun to look at climate change like an infant. That way the pesky little details of what's actually happening can be denied. That way, industry doesn't have to encounter the hassles and expense of complying with global climate practices aimed at saving our planet. The simple minded greedy apes just want their bunches of bananas. They don't want to hear about the inconvenient details of how their greed is destroying their home.

    "But for awhile there we were having much cooler Summers than normal!"..

    Yes, yes we were. Again, climate change deniers will have to stretch their taxed little brains further to understand the "silly" science behind all the mystery.

    Water, which is also ice, which makes up the ice caps on both poles of our planet, is a funny element. It has what is known in chemistry as a "high specific heat". What that means is, that it takes a lot of energy to change it from a solid to a liquid, a liquid to a gas, or a gas to a plasma. Many other compounds or elements do not need as much heat as water to do this. As an element or molecule, like water, approaches a phase change from solid ice to liquid water, it takes on the most energy in the form of heat to complete the phase change.

    So, to put that in layman's terms, while the Summer's were cooler, the ice caps' acceleration in melting were "stealing the heat" from the atmosphere....which we all felt on our skins as "a cooler Summer". "So climate change isn't really happening!!" Except that it is. Just not the neat little way that most minds would like to box it in.

    Do three experiments at home that will help you understand the full scope of how our climate is changing for the worse as far as organic life is concerned.

    1. The ice cube experiment. Put an ice chunk on the counter in a warm home. Hold your hand away from it. Then hold your hand near it. As your hand comes near to it, but doesn't actually touch it, you will feel cold. That is because as the ice melts, it is stealing heat from the immediate surroundings, including your hand as it approaches. Put a fan behind the ice chunk next. Place your hand in front of the stream of air blowing past the chunk. You'll notice cold too; and this will accelerate the melting of the ice. This is how the warmer wind functions blowing across the ice caps in Summer. The size of the ice caps are their ability to make the "false cool Summers" more noticeable. As they shrink in size, these cool Summers will not be felt as widely.

    2. The atmosphere "blanket" test. Now that it's Winter, you can go outside and try this simple test. Take a thick warm blanket outside and cover yourself with it as you sit for awhile in a chair. Then, take it off and replace it with a sheet. Sit for the same amount of time. Which is colder? The thinner sheet mimics the thinning atmosphere and the colder Winters showing up as the earth's climate change.

    3. The atmosphere "shield" test. In Summer, go out in the middle of July on a sunny day and sit under a solid type of shelter from the sun for awhile. Then, sit under an opaque or semi-clear piece of corrugated roofing. Or just directly in the sun without any shield. Which is hotter?

    For extra credit, the Winter solstice (shortest day) is near. On that day, should the sun be shining, take an automobile headlamp reflector, remove the bulb exposing just the bulb clip. Using a pair of welding glasses for safety, place a piece of paper or a small dry piece of wood in the clip. Aim the reflector directly at the sun, even later in the day if you like. DO NOT look directly at the center of the reflector or anywhere near it, even with welding glasses. It will be at its weakest and lowest potential of energy for the entire year. Wait several seconds until the wood or paper catches fire. Douse quickly with water you have nearby.

    This extra credit is the key to solving both our energy crises AND climate change. The less we damage our atmosphere with chemicals related to the petroleum industry and relying on it to give us energy, the more we can slow down the damage to everything; not the least of which, ourselves.
     
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    There were Herbivore Dinosaurs and the vegetation to support them between 400 to 1200 miles from the North Pole about 60 Million years ago. The fossilized remains of both don't lie. Something cause the Earth to warm to that extent, man didn't exist and the fossils for oil were still walking around and growing from the ground. So what caused the Earth to warm that much? We know through indisputable fact that there were Herbivore Dinosaurs and the vegetation to support them between 400 to 1200 miles from the North Pole about 60 Million years ago.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/arcticdino/about.html

    Here's a theory for you:

    The Herbivore Dinosaurs multiplied, they ate the carbon sinks (trees and foliage) at a prodigious rate and the Earth warmed to that point. Now fast forward to now. Man is deforesting at an ever increasing rate, that is destroying the carbon sinks (trees) far faster than any carbon emissions reduction plan could ever cope with. What going to happen? What needs to be done?

    Trying to control Global Warming with emissions control while "Some 46-58 thousand square miles of forest are lost each year—equivalent to 36 football fields every minute just won't work.
     
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    ^^ There are complex chemical compounds entering the upper atmosphere that are accelerating the thinning of the thermosphere. These are compounds the dinosaurs could not have possibly produced. I will be posting a NASA link soon to lead the reader here more particularly to the nitty gritty discussion of those compounds.

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    Virtually all power plants do is boil water to run steam turbines. Nuclear energy does this simply by heating water with radioactive materials. But it's always "apply fire to water, boil it & use the steam to run a turbine". In the case of hydro-electric, the energy of moving water turns the turbines. Moving water or moving steam, either one, turns the turbines to create a stream of electrons leaving the generator.

    This can be done with the extra credit experiment I spoke about in the OP. And here's how. BTW, this isn't "solar energy" using panels. It's solar energy using the direct radioactive heat coming from the sun...just like nuclear...only we have evolved to deal with solar radiation better than plutonium..

    The placement of the mirrors to the tubes is everything. BigOil funded these huge ringed jokes to discredit the industry. Meanwhile our competitors were doing the actual math of placing linear arrays near the tube-oil heating source that heats oil to 300 degrees Celsius. Yes, I said Celsius.

    On days when there is less or no sun, these plants are joined to the hip with backup carbon or geothermal or wind or hydro sources. In the Southwest, where up to 300 days of pure sun can be expected in many places, the application of this technology is mandatory to replace the damaging types currently destroying our blanket/shield atmosphere.

    [video]https://youtu.be/7Gvwy8yDMzw[/video] < Video showing the ease of setting up a solar thermal plant properly
    [video]https://youtu.be/ecMu1613Hcc[/video] < Video showing the comprehensive discussion of how the Chinese are already beating us in solar thermal technology.
     
  4. Steve N

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    When I was a kid particularly cold winters were called harsh, those that weren't were called mild. I recall a day circa 1984 when Northern New Jersey was hit with a blizzard on Good Friday. We've had harsh and mild seasons for as long as I can remember.
     
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    Climate change is just one of the tools they use to indoctrinate children in schools these days (polar bears are dying oh my!). Goes along with the standard regimen about how the US is a racist country and Trump wants to bring back slavery.
     
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    Watermelons are green on the outside, red on the inside. I think that's a very fitting description for the environmental movement. "Climate change" is really an attack on capitalism, at its core.
     
  7. Silhouette

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    ^^ No. Because capitalism can shift over to green technologies to sell to consumers. Malignant capitalists are addicted to their money-monopolies having to harm the planet when their lobbying cash could just as easily corner green energy markets. This is about more than merely capitalism..It's about lazy rich men not wanting to pull up stakes and shift their monopolies.

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    If you don't believe the atomosphere is thinning...take it from NASA. It is.

    http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view.php?id=4244

    And it's not getting any better as the years go by without carbon emissions coming into check.

    Remember the thin vs thick blanket experiment?

    1. If climate change is real, why are we having record cold Winters!! A: Because a thinner blanket means you get colder without that protection from the freezing temperatures of space around the earth.

    2. If climate change is real, why did we get a few cooler Summers awhile back!? A: Because of the ice cube experiment in the OP.

    3. I HAVE noticed a slightly hotter feel to the sun in Summer, and my tender ornamental plants

    are getting bleaching and scorching on the tips of their leaves. A: Yes, because that thinning is letting more dangerous UV radiation on your skin and your plants. My advice is, stay out of the sun and watch the UV index on days when it's high. That's NASA telling you "you're under a dangerously thin part of the atmosphere today". Listen to them.
     
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    While NASA describes the thermosphere as becoming more dense as it thins, some might think 'well this is better protection for our planet'...but this isn't necessarily true. I'll try to render it in terms that most people can relate to:

    I think I remember from chemistry that "the spaces in between" molecules have more potential to act as a distortion force for penetration (or escape) of heat. But it's been a long time. I doubt the NASA experts are that far removed from the chemistry explanation. So I'll trust they know what they're talking about. What you have to remember is that heat energy and its properties behave oddly with insulating properties.

    The thicker the layers of air in between the insulation in your walls, keeps you cooler in Summer and warmer in winter. The reason thicker insulation works better is not the material used, but the greater air spaces between layers in it that act as a dampening force on the transfer of heat either direction. If you put used insulation in your walls that has been flattened, you'll cook in the Summer and freeze in the Winter. If you put new fluffy insulation with lots of air space in between fibers in your walls, you'll be comfy in both seasons. It's the same amount of fiber, but more "dense" in the flattened used insulation example. Does this make sense?

    Think of our atmosphere like R-33 fluffy insulation for your walls. What carbon emissions are doing to this insulation is flattening it to become more dense (and less insulative).

    Like any planet this close to a star without protection, with no, little, or thinning atmosphere, it would have very hot Summers and very cold Winters...or trends in those directions with a few anomalous situations like the cooler Summers we had a few years back due to the specific heat of water and it phase-changing from solid ice to liquid in the Summer's more unrelenting penetration of the thinning atmosphere of the sun's radiation. (Example explained in more detail in the OP)
     
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    And here I thought it was because there was less snow on the ground, so there was more wind chill. Glad to know that science knows whats going on.
     
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    ^^ Well, NASA knows what's going on but their findings aren't getting quite the press coverage they should be. On their website they celebrate the fact that our thermosphere is thinning..."because it's now easier to push rockets in to space with less atmosphere to contend with" (you know, like the deadly-dangerous petro-chemical damage to our atmosphere is a GOOD thing!...*sigh*)

    What we're actually experiencing "in the lab" (you know, in reality) are colder Winters and hotter Summers (except the type I described in the OP relative to specific heat of the water molecule, and a brief anomalous stint of cooler Summers until a tipping point is reached at the polar melt.) Hotter Summers and colder Winters are exactly what we would expect to find if we were exploring space and found some poor, suffering planet with little or no atmosphere, near a star & freezing space. Like a lot of planets are. Like a tar paper shack with little or no "fluffy" insulation, only dimensional lumber between the occupants and the big world (space/the sun) it would be too hot in the Summer and too cold in the Winter.

    So, what is happening is, as NASA says, a thinning of the outer atmosphere; the thermosphere. Thermo = heat dynamics. And so we find the hotter Summers and colder Winters typical of flat/ more dense "R-33 wall insulation".. The fluffier that outer layer, the better we are shielded. Apparently that isn't happening. And NASA says it's because of our carbon use here on the ground....& chemical reactions causing the thermosphere gasses to become more dense (thinner, less fluffy)
     
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    And you let the market do so not the government

    I'm all for green alternatives to energy production when those alternatives are competitive with what we use now when those alternatives become cheaper and more efficient or at least equal in price and efficiency then what we currently use,
    But don't shove a green alterative down my throat by government mandate from which that alternative will make my heating and electricity bill sky rocket which in turn will make every product in America cost more because there is one commodity that every business every manufacture uses and that is energy
     
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    see my sig, it pretty much sums up green energy
     
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    Hmmm, that shoots the AGW theory all to heck. BTW, it is water vapor in the air that determines whether it stays warm or cold. The equator stays warm and has little differentiation hot to cold because of moisture. The latitudes around the deserts have a greater differentiation due to lack of moisture. The atmosphere isn't 'thinning'.
     
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    I believe in global warming. Temperatures were definitely cooler when I was a kid in New York than they are now as an adult in Texas.

    Of course, the latitude change may also have something to do with it.
     
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    So please show proof why what happened in the Dinosaur age isn't happening again?

    Fancy that, both the Earth and Mars have warmed almost the same amount in approximately the same time period. How could that be? Is is a coincidence? Is some of our carbon footprint wafting across the 64 million mile celestial void and polluting Mars atmosphere? What is the common denominator between both of these distant worlds that would cause the same situation to occur in both places? The only one I can think of is both planets orbit the same heat source, the Sun.....Ya think......
     
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    What's your point?

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    EVILUTION! You forgot to say how the libs are also trying to indoctrinate children in schools these days in EVILUTION. Oh my, oh my.
     
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    We've had extreme temperatures and oddball weather for as long as I can remember and no one called it global warming.
     
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    Your comment sounds like something Homer would say.
     
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    The Russians hacked the weather. I knew it!
     
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    Link and quote provided by Professor Peabody
    https://web.archive.org/web/20070715...4_gw_mars.html
    Across the past two decades, the model showed the surface temperature of Mars has increased by about 0.65 degrees Celsius (1.17 degrees Fahrenheit).​

    Did you read the article? Did you even read the headline? Dust Storms Fuel Global Warming on Mars .

    It's NOT "the Sun.....Ya think......" Perhaps you don't know the difference the sun and dust storms .

    Geez. It's bad enough when people post nonsense and link to nonsense websites. It's really bad when they post nonsense and then link to an article that disproves the very nonsense they posted.
     
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    No, you don't wait for that to happen because BigOil will make sure as it always has for decades...that it never happens. Not until they start WWIII over lust for oil.

    No, in this case it's a matter of national security that government steps in and greases the wheels for green energy's patents...of which there are literally thousands on ice; held that way "for government secret reasons" (read, competition suppression). It's OK. No need to panic if you're into BigOil I proposed a few years back that Congress cut a deal with BigOil to let them monopolize green energy production as they switch over assets. I don't care if I pay the same amount of money for energy that is cheaper for them to produce (check out the video links in post #2 here). I'll let their bottom line improve on my dime just as long as they promise to stop f-ing up foreign policy and the earth.
     
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    Perhaps you should try to understand the difference between weather and climate.

    BTW it isn't called climate change is called Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW).
     
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    Which is unfortunate. And the reason it gets so much flack. "Why our our Winters getting colder!" Remember, the thin insulation makes your tar paper shack hotter in Summer and colder in Winter. So for six months out of every year the wizard who thought up that phrase has doomed real scientists to ridicule.

    More accurate to call it "Anthropogenic Climate Change" or "Anthropogenic Thermosphere damage"
     
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    The earth has warmed, the earth has cooled, there has been frequent and sometimes extreme climate change for 4 billion years. There will continue to be climate change for however many billion years the earth has left.

    What there is not is man made "climate change". That man driving SUVs and using fossil fuels to create the reliable energy needed to power a modern society is causing significant deleterious effects on the earth's ecosystem is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the human race.

    It is like a religion.

    Man has always sought to believe in something larger than himself to give life purpose and meaning. For some the various religions based on a deity serve the purpose. For the secular humanists who now believe they are superior as they only adhere to science and reason, the climate religion is their higher purpose. After all, what is more important than saving the planet.

    Even though nothing they can do will have any effect. These poor souls are victims of the scammers whose solution to the problem always begins with "give us all your money and control of your life". For now, the scammers have found "climate change" is the vehicle to gain control of us. As time goes on and the "climate change" scam proves to be false, they will move on to something else.

    BTW, why do you think the scammers changed their description a few years ago of the calamity we face from "global warming" to "climate change"?
     
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    Well it isn't a fake news story since a real news networks just reported it. CBS,
     
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