How hard is teaching.

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  1. I justsayin

    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    So please explain the poor design.
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think teachers, no matter how good they are, can inspire students to "be curious". Either the student is curious by nature, or he isn't.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Then why even have school? Most folks aren't curious.
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I actually think that we should do away with the concept of education for most people. We should concentrate our efforts at teaching a very select few only. The pupils who have the capacity to truly learn and be curious. Teaching pretty much every kid is very close to wasting our time, money and teaching resources.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    I don't agree with all of what you say. We can't just not try to give folks chances. No telling who could be the next Einstein that is struggling in school.
     
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    I agree we should give people chances. However it might perhaps be wise if we separate pupils according to their intellectual capabilities. Like maybe we can give "enriched" curricula to smarter kids and try to teach the less smart kids practical things that will help them find jobs once they are out of school.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Very interesting. The one thing that is frutrating is there are a lot of good ideas on this forum. There never seems to be good ideas coming from the actual school districts.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Have the needs of the students and parents changed over time? maybe now they need to be supported differently.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    And maybe we need to reward teachers for keeping up with the times. If not maybe they need to be let go.
     
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    In descending order of importance:

    1. Bad parenting and weak culture, overall. The ceiling on how effective our education system can be is limited by how our children are cultivated by their parents.
    2. The unwillingness to acknowledge that some people are smarter than others. Any time students fall behind, our first thought is to assume that something must be wrong with the teacher or material, and this is causing us to waste a lot of time on nonsense.
    3. Federal oversight and the lack of flexibility that follows from that. When something is wrong with the structure of the system, we don't have any ways to address those kinds of issues.
    4. The lack of segregation based on sex. Boys and girls need to be educated separately, period. If school is to be about education and the development of skills, then we need to take the social aspects out of schooling more than we have been. People can develop those skills outside the classroom. Perhaps boys and girls can interact during lunch or other social events, but they don't need to be in the same classrooms with each other.

    Sorry I can't elaborate more, but this is difficult enough with a cellphone. Until my laptop is fixed, I'm limited in my ability to post intelligently.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the administrators really think through on this stuff.
     
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    The problem is that having the right ideas isn't enough. The system is bloated and monolithic, making it nearly impossible to reform it. I'm becoming more sympathetic to abolishing the department of education in its entirety, day by day.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    So what does it mean bloated and monolithic? People seem to lose faith in the school system. Thank you for your post btw.
     
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    No problem, thank you for bringing this subject up.

    Well, schools are extremely limited in what they are allowed to do. There are thousands of regulations that limit what kinds of solutions a school can implement. If we went back to local districts having total autonomy, we would have the ability to really innovate and see what works. Yes, there would be some really crappy experiments that wouldn't work out, but you'd also see a lot of brilliant successes. Over time, what works best would be implemented across the country. The current system makes change impossible.

    Unfortunately, I still think the primary issue is bad parenting. I've personally lived it, and seen it in others too many times to discount it. I know that, had I been raised in a traditional, two-parent household, I would have been better off. I've shown myself that I can learn and succeed with few resources, and I've shown myself that I can also fail despite having all the advantages and a good system.

    The common denominator was always my poor character, and it is no different for the rest of society.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    This is all very interesting.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Why is parenting such a big role? I hope a lot of parents read this.
     
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    In my opinion, most of what a person is consists of their biology, followed by how they are cultivated, aka their environment. Parents are responsible for teaching children discipline, social norms, how to deal with adversity, goals, and thousands of other really important things. A child can have all the intelligence and creativity in the world amount to nothing without that bedrock from their parents. In contrast, people with neither intellogemce nor creativity can thrive as long as they have developed properly. People do not reason their way through the world, they adopt successful characteristics from their parents and broader culture to build a successful life. Even the greatest teachers with unlimited resources cannot make a child do anything, no matter how talented that kid may be. The kid must have the right personality, habits, and sense of purpose before they can develop into great people.

    On a personal note, I was a highly talented child who didn't amount to much, for some of the very reasons I've mentioned. Over the last ten years, I've observed who went on to be successful and have good lives, and who failed to achieve much of anything, either personally or financially. The common denominator was never ability, but it was almost always related to their parents.

    Sorry for the poor sentence structure and errors. I just can't write with a cell phone very well.
     
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    Parenting used to play a big role, but these days with both parents working, no three generational households, and the state taking over the education of children, I don't think they have much of a role at all.

    Which accounts for the snowflakes, feminists, and other assorted societal ills.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    So what's going on with these parents? Or have times just changed so they can not be parenting ever like it used to be?
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    I understand. With both parents preoccupied there is no way things could be the same anymore. Then kids potential will not be met,
     
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    Yes, they've ceded their role to others, and where this has happened the most, the children have suffered the most. The most successful people almost always come from households where the parents are very engaged in the lives of their children. People do not spontaneously pull it together and become successful, no matter how much raw talent they have. In fact, talent is only a relatively minor prerequisite. In my experience, people succeed to the extent that they follow the norms and traditions established by others.

    I pretty much agree with your post, though, especially the part about not having extended family around.



    Times have changed, as belch pointed out, but people have also lost their way. We live in a culturally rotten society that just doesn't produce people the way it should.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    So is it possible to get that family time back? Or are things the way they are forever? Meaning less natural development of successful students, teachers, and adults who have children.
     
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    It can absolutely be done, but it requires sacrifice on the part of parents to do what is right for their children and not what is necessarily pleasurable for them. At least one parent should probably work part time, not to mention the need to rededicate to community building. The fact that people need daycares is a sign of how weak communities are. In the past it was not at all unusual for older women without kids in the home to provide these services. Grandparents, friends, and other all pitched in to help out. It's not impossible, even now, but it requires effort.
     
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    I get it. And I agree. But you did say something contreversial. That parents have been choosing there pleasure over the needs of their kids.
     

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