Jesus a Canaanite or Pheonician

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    There are many hints that suggest Jesus surely was not a Jew, but rather a Canaanite.
    Of them I will mention few..

    1- Its starts with Mother Marry that she served in a Temple, Jewish women or girls Do not serve in temple..
    2- The Baptism, its a Canaanite tradition that happened from thousands of years.(B.C)
    3-Mother Marry was from Canna - Jalil its in Lebanon a Canaanite state.
    4-The Wine and Bread ceremony was a Canaanite tradition too.
    5-The resurrection, Canaanite like El-Adonis- used to belief that Adonis died and resurrected, Same as to El, the High Canaanite God.
    6-Isaiah was a Canaanite too, it means he is from the Ashayas, an Essen group of Canaanites, they used to believe in vegetarianism, when Isaiah predicted about Jesus he predicted him as a savior of the Soul and as a Vegetarian person.
    7- Jesus on the Cross Called for his Canaanite God (EL) Eli, Eli, and he said How you have Glorified me, as in John (Bible) Jesus spoke about being glorified by his father.. Eli Eli Lama shabaktani means Why have you forsaken me, But when you just separate the Eli, Eli Lamash Bak tani. It becomes how much you have glorified me... Many Scholars have this theory...
    Jesus spoke to EL the Canaanite God, not Yahwe the Jewish God.
    8-Jesus never knew Hebrew, he always spoke Aramaic, even Pope Francis said it to Natanyahou, all the religious figures or preachers must know Hebrew to preach in the temple, but Jesus the Canaanite he didnt know Hebrew and preached from Isaiah the Canaanite traditions...
    9-Forgivness love and non judgment to all the people. Canaanite El teaches that Love is Supreme to everything and love can win on Hate..
    10-The Fisher of Men is a Canaanite tradition that even Pythagoras spoke of and spoke of the Cross too...
    I have a couple of books about this things... if your interested...
    11-Jesus was called a Nazarene, not to be mistaken by Nazareth, a Nazarene is a cancaanite Monk...
    12-Did Any Prophets Come Out of Galilee?
    Question:
    In John 7:52, the Pharisees told Nicodemus, “Search and see that no prophet arises out of Galilee.”
    It’s incredible that these supposed experts did not know that five prophets came out of Galilee—Jonah,Nahum, Hosea, Elijah, and Elisha.Jesus was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth,which is in Galilee. He was called Jesus of Nazareth, so the Pharisees assumed that He was born in Galilee.
     
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    The Pharisees were adamant that no prophet ever came out
    of Galilee because they thought it was proof that Jesus was not a prophet
    and could not be the Messiah.
    They knew the Scriptures prophesied the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem
    (John 7:42, Micah 5:2)
    .
    So the Pharisees were wrong on two
    Points — that no prophet had come from Galilee and that Jesus
    could not be the Messiah. For whatever reason, Jesus
    never stated during His public ministry that He was born in Bethlehem
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    Israel is not a Jewish word.. It is a Canaanite word means the People of EL.. Isra El...
    We all remember the war between Juda and Israel in the torat right ?!!! the war between south and North...Israel Lost.. (Canaanites lost to the Juda)
     
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    Interesting information, been looking into what you have wrote, do you have sources for religious practices of the Canaanites please?
     
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    What I have shared is from books I have read, and those who wrote it are Lebanese but they had information from a lot of Jewish-Russians-French historians... Yes sure there is... The Baptism isnt something to doubt.. Also the El-El pronunciation, its very obvious, and about the Wine and Bread thing too is Canaanite for sure.. And about the Women in temple we all know that...But I will try to bring sources about the religious practices of the Canaanites...
     
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    Mar-Yam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yam_(god) Yam, Yamm, or Yammu was a Levantine sea and river god, popular in the Bronze and Early Iron Ages.


    The apparent plural form 'Ēlîm or 'Ēlim 'Gods' occurs only four times in the Tanakh. Psalm 29, understood as an enthronement psalm, begins:

    A Psalm of David.
    Ascribe to Yahweh, sons of Gods (bənê 'Ēlîm),
    Ascribe to Yahweh, glory and strength

    Psalm 89:6 (verse 7 in Hebrew) has:

    For who in the skies compares to Yahweh,
    who can be likened to Yahweh among the sons of Gods (bənê 'Ēlîm).

    Traditionally bənê 'ēlîm has been interpreted as 'sons of the mighty', 'mighty ones', for, in

    Yahwe and El Are different...




    And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the Most High God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the Most High God, possessor of heaven and earth. (Genesis 14:18-19)

    And apart from something else, Jesus was called Melki Sadek... Melki Sadek I think if I am not mistaken there are only 7 Melki Sadek... One of them is Kadmus who thought the greeks their Alphabet.. And it is the most high Priest Rank a man can get and its something that is given very rarely almost every few hundreds or thousands of years you find 1 Melki Sadek... I think so... I mean a True Melki Sadek... And Jesus wear Purple, it was the color of Canaanite religious figures I think Popes used to wear purple too in their beginning...
     
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    Jesus is a Jew by lineage.
     
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    Many scholars think the Hebrews were a landless Canaanite tribe so it seems the overlap in culture and beliefs would make perfect sense..
     
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    In its time Phoenicia was known as Canaan and is the land referenced in the Hebrew Scriptures to which Moses led the Israelites from Egypt and which Joshua then conquered (according to the biblical books of Exodus and Joshua but uncorroborated by other ancient texts and unsupported by the physical evidence thus far excavated).

    According to the historian Richard Miles, the people of the land recognized "a shared ethnic identity as Can'nai, inhabitants of the land of Canaan yet, despite a common linguistic, cultural, and religious inheritance, the region was very rarely politically united, with each city operating as a sovereign state ruled over by a king" (26).

    The city-states of Phoenicia flourished through maritime trade between c. 1500-322 BCE when the major cities were conquered by Alexander the Great and, after his death, the region became a battleground in the fight between his generals for succession and empire.

    Artifacts from the region have been found as far away as Britain and as close as Egypt and it is clear that Phoenician luxury goods were highly prized by the cultures with whom they traded.


    http://www.ancient.eu/phoenicia/
     
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    It doesnt match...
     
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    How so?
     
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    1- Its starts with Mother Marry that she served in a Temple, Jewish women or girls Do not serve in temple..

    2- The Baptism, its a Canaanite tradition that happened from thousands of years.(B.C)


    3-Mother Marry was from Canna - Jalil its in Lebanon a Canaanite state.

    4-The Wine and Bread ceremony was a Canaanite tradition too.


    5-The resurrection, Canaanite like El-Adonis- used to belief that Adonis died and resurrected, Same as to El, the High Canaanite God.


    6-Isaiah was a Canaanite too, it means he is from the Ashayas, an Essen group of Canaanites, they used to believe in vegetarianism, when Isaiah predicted about Jesus he predicted him as a savior of the Soul and as a Vegetarian person.

    7- Jesus on the Cross Called for his Canaanite God (EL) Eli, Eli, and he said How you have Glorified me, as in John (Bible) Jesus spoke about being glorified by his father.. Eli Eli Lama shabaktani means Why have you forsaken me, But when you just separate the Eli, Eli Lamash Bak tani. It becomes how much you have glorified me... Many Scholars have this theory...
    Jesus spoke to EL the Canaanite God, not Yahwe the Jewish God.


    8-Jesus never knew Hebrew, he always spoke Aramaic, even Pope Francis said it to Natanyahou, all the religious figures or preachers must know Hebrew to preach in the temple, but Jesus the Canaanite he didnt know Hebrew and preached from Isaiah the Canaanite traditions...

    9-Forgivness love and non judgment to all the people. Canaanite El teaches that Love is Supreme to everything and love can win on Hate..

    10-The Fisher of Men is a Canaanite tradition that even Pythagoras spoke of and spoke of the Cross too...
    I have a couple of books about this things... if your interested...

    11-Jesus was called a Nazarene, not to be mistaken by Nazareth, a Nazarene is a canaanite Monk...


    12-Did Any Prophets Come Out of Galilee?
    Question:
    In John 7:52, the Pharisees told Nicodemus, “Search and see that no prophet arises out of Galilee.”
    It’s incredible that these supposed experts did not know that five prophets came out of Galilee—Jonah,Nahum, Hosea, Elijah, and Elisha.Jesus was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth,which is in Galilee. He was called Jesus of Nazareth, so the Pharisees assumed that He was born in Galilee.
     
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    If Jesus is a Jew then that means that God is a Jew because Jesus is his son, right?
     
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    You mean Biologically?
    Jesus doesnt have a Biological Father... And Biologically almost all experts agree Marry is Canaanite.
     
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    Most scholars think the Jews were simply another Canaanite tribe.
     
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    Most scientists thought the earth was flat too.
     
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    There's reason to believe that Jesus was a Samaritan, Joseph was a Jew, and Mary was a Samaritan. That's based upon the Old Testament and the prophecy that the Samaritans would lead the Jews back to God. The Samaritans (Mary) was a virgin in that the Samaritans had never had a prophet for the Jews. Jesus was that prophet. The story gets confused because Paul made up the Jesus character in order to sell his religion about resurrection. Later on the writers added some of main rebel leaders characteristics to the imaginary Jesus character. The whole thing is a very complex fairy tale.
     
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    Where on earth did you get this from? I respectfully suggest you discard any book that tells you this, and do some study.

    Just a comment on only one thing. Jesus most certainly DID know Hebrew. How did he read the scroll in the synagogue which was ALWAYS written in Hebrerw. All Jewish boys learnt Hebrew.
    Many of the other things are completely wrong if you know the OT and the history of the time.
     
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    The Canaanite pantheon overlaps with the Hebrew gods for a long period in their history.. and Canaanites were also circumcised.
     
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    In which verse did Isaiah say Jesus was a veggie ?
    On the contrary God said right from the start- "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything" (Genesis 9:3)
    so you'd better argue it out with Bear Grylls or with God when you meet him..;)

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    Guys, this is revisionism gone haywire.

    First, that is a long list of assertions with no sources. Once we look at the sources, we'll see that some of the claims are exactly backwards(eg: The thing about Mary and the temple).

    Some of it is interesting(if sourced), but doesn't serve as evidence for what is being claimed(eg: the thing about Canaanite wine and bread ceremony(what ceremony, eating dinner? everybody has a tradition of eating dinner)).

    Some of it is just a selective twist on what has always been known.(eg: the thing about Jesus having spoken Aramaic(everyone knows that, and that Aramaic IS Hebrew, only more highly developed than the primitive Hebrew of Job and Genesis, and with Babylonian influence)).

    You also need to define Canaanite. If you mean "having lived near the coast of the Mediterranean anywhere between Byblos, Beersheba, and Gaza" then every character in the Bible after Moses was Canaanite.
     
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    Probably.. North coast Canaanites were called Phoenicians by the Greeks. See Ras Shamra.
     
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    Yes, I know. And all alphabets are derived, by one line or another, from the Phoenician alphabet, including the Hebrew alphabet, but they are distinct. And, they certainly appear to have been distinct peoples.
     
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    Evidence?

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    What evidence you have for any of this? As to the last point experts make generalizations all the time.
     

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