"Migrants should be expected to learn English before coming to the UK, or attend language classes when they arrive, a group of MPs and peers says." Well let's wait and see how that works? Scenario 1) They arrive on our shores not able to speak a word of English - what will the authorities do with them? Scenario 2) After the nationwide infrastructure and the teachers needed to teach them (all this at a cost to the taxpayer of £billions) have been built and staffed and made ready to begin - what will the authorities do with them if they refuse to attend classes, or decide there are other things they'd rather do such as indulge in criminality for example? Does anyone else see any of that being a problem to those authorities? And yet these 'MPs and peers' are supposed to be the intelligentsia of the country but they can't see the flaws in it?? No wonder my poor country is in meltdown. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38510628
The migrants apply for Leave to Remain and face a condition of demonstrating basic English language, in addition to the existing ones. If they don’t, their application will fail and they can ultimately face deportation – essentially no different to how it’s meant to work at the moment (it doesn’t work especially well at the moment but this doesn’t alter that either way). Much of that infrastructure is already in place. It doesn’t matter whether prospective migrants attend any specific calls, its whether they can demonstrate the required level of English (many migrants to the UK already speak English). The status of migrants involved in criminality isn’t going to be altered by this at all.
In other words it won't work? For instance this 'Leave to Remain' as you put it can only be granted after they arrive here and have applied to stay; and if it isn't granted on the basis they can't speak a word of English, do you seriously believe they'll be put on the next plane back whence they came? I don't want to be rude but I can't be bothered to take up the points you make because communicating with you is like walking through treacle.
I never said it would work (in fact I specific said it doesn’t and still won’t work very well in my response). You expressed ignorance of how the system is meant to work and I provided some relevant information. How can we discuss how things should be if we don’t understand how they actually are at the moment?
Fair comment, Joe - it seems that you bring out the worst in me? I'm afraid I do tend to speed-read your posts.
Indeed. It's just one example of many. It is also compounded by journalists incapable of applying the basic skills of their trade. A cycle which carries on and on. The press, in any democracy ought to act as inquisitors, instead tug forelocks and regurgitate spin, drivel and outright lies. It's no wonder people loose confidence in their media and politicians.
When there are press 'barons' and senior editors all wanting their gongs and ermine, and a passport into the Lords, what do you expect?
Personally? Objectivity and honesty. Views, opinions reported as such. As for Ermine, I would much rather the recognition be from fellow peers. The "Honours System" is a joke too. Only important to those who crave a gong. For those who actually merit one it comes as a great surprise. It is of no surprise at all to those who do not. In that sad world they have to believe that someone likes them. In that Walter Mitty/Marie Antoinette world they're stuffing their gobs with the cake they would deny the bread-less. Generally though... it's the world we live in. We're lying to ourselves if we believe we are worth nothing better.
It's the country we live in. I mean how many other countries fawn over kings & queens, princes & princesses, dukes & duchesses, lords & ladies, barons/baronettes & baronesses and other elitists who actually couldn't give a damn for them; yet these idiots will wait for hours in the cold or wet just for the few seconds it takes the processions to pass by, whilst the objects of their mindless worship are ensconced in heated carriages? It's all like some kind of Alice in Wonderland or Hans Christian Andersen thing. I guess low IQs have something to do with it. Or genetics.
I think you have a very jaundiced view there; and to call 'Royalists' (to coin a phrase) mindless idiots with low IQ's or genetically defective is just insulting to them. Personally I'm not a Royalist, but I accept without question the right of those that are to be so. That is not to say that I agree with unelected 'peers' to have a hand in Government, however. As for other countries, how many of those rake in the millions in tourist currencies that this country does on the back of our 'elites'?
Quite honestly anybody who is stupid enough to stand in the cold and rain just to see a bunch of total strangers who couldn't GAF about them pass by deserves to be insulted.
It is a matter of will power, either you want immigrants to assimulate into your culture or you just don't care. There is no good having a policy that new immigrants must learn to speak English to a certain standard before you let them into our Country and you enforce that law or you don't..... I suspect they won't bother. In fact I suspect the peope in power don't want to enforce any rules or laws that would encourage immigrant to integrate into British Culture, as in fact they hate British Culture and want to see us culturally replaced. They forget it was the White man that in fact built what is great and best about Western Culture, the very thing that people from around the World want to come to. The immigrants and the welfare state will ultimately destroy the host culture, just as any parasite destroys its host when it becomes rampant.
The parlous state of the NHS has nothing to do with 'staff shortages', 'underfunding', or 'an increasingly older population', it's to do with the over-populated demographic. You can't import 4 million plus migrants without first preparing the infrastructure to sustain them, and not expect that very infrastructure to collapse under the strain.
