Israel announces plan to create 2,500 settlements in Palestinian-controlled territory

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    I am not the least bit ill-informed.
    The WB was part of Jordan in 1967.
    In 1988, Jordan gave up its claim to the WB.
    In 1994, by treaty, Jordan ceded the WB to Israel.
    And so, in 1994, the controversy over the WB under international law was settled.
    The opinion of the UN in this matter is irrelevant; the issue was settled by treaty law between the parties involved.

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    According to the 1994 treaty between Jordan and Israel, the WB, one part of Jordan, is part of Israel.
    And so, by the principle parties involved, it is recognized as part of Israel.

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    Not a single statement I have made can be shown false; every step of my argument is 100% true and accurate.

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    Nothing in it in any way negates anything I said.
     
  3. Ronstar

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    This is a LIE.

    Jordan never said that the West Bank now belongs to Israel.

    You cant prove it as it never happened.

    what they DID say, in 1984, is that they relinquish all rights of negotiating over the fate of the West Bank, to the PLO.

    However, they retained their rights of negotiating over Jerusalem.
     
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    Someone I know very very well is working for UNWRA in a senior capacity, and go to Judea, Samaria and Gaza often. And the (*)(*)(*)(*) he tells me does not lend much credibility and respect to UN and their charges. Sorry.
     
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    West Bank, maybe. Judea and Samaria, certainly :)
     
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    <Mod Edit- Rule 2,3>

    u guys have NO evidence
     
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    Lol. Go ahead and show us the treaty guys. Or anything for that matter. Doesnt exist and makes no sense. Jordan had no reason to do and didn't.
     
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    Last I checked, Israel is firmly in control of things in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. Let's keep the debates going, though :)
     
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    they have no evidence.
     
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    sweetheart your friends and one person's personal opinion count for nothing. Clearly you will make friends with people who are much the same as yourself. Now it was laws and resolutions you were going to look at. I look forward to when you have delved into that rather than trying to present hearsay from a friend as having any meaning at all.
     
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    Why do you want to keep the debates going?
     
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    Good question.
     
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    Nor do the citations you have provided.
    he UN is not the sole source, or sole arbiter, of international law; that the UN says it does not make it fact.
     
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    no, the ICJ is.

    and they said the settlements are illegal.
     
  16. creation

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    Look

    You know we're right about all this legal stuff.

    But you have Israel's back whatever.

    And you're happy it gets to do what it wants.

    And you don't like us or our point of view very much and so you just enjoy coming here hoping you can occasionally (*)(*)(*)(*) us off right?

    That about sum it up?

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    Lol.

    Have a better source in mind?
     
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    I know it sounds very alarming 2500 apartments but its just a drop in the sea and its all built on existing towns, seems like we are heading toward one sided declarations, I think that's what behind moving the embassy, not that there will be a full control over the WB, genocide and expulsions like Alexa thinks, still 2 states but 2 states that will continue to fued over borders, ehhh it was a long shot anyway....
     
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    Wrong. This is Occupied Territory and 'ownership' is in dispute. Israel has no right, legally, to build anything there or move any part of her civilian population there either. That's the law.
     
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    And let's not forget that Israel also agreed to abide by those laws by becoming a UN Charter member state.
     
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    Correct ... but law is only even the paper worth on what it is written, as far as the will is existing to fulfill the law and / or to force people to hold laws. And right this is not only lacking, but completely missing. Israel does so many worse things, any other ... to the USA lesser friendly ... country would still had an invasion by US Marines for it. But an ally and close friend of the US must hold nothing and do what he wants so long as he does not annoy the US! This ยง1 of the world rule ...
     
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    It -was- in dispute, between Jordan and Israel, 1967-1988
    Jordan gave up its claim in 1988 and codified into law the cession of the WB to Israel in the 1994 treaty with Israel.
    Thus, there's not been a dispute with regard to the ownership of the WB under international law for more than 20 years.
    That's the law.
     
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    It was never part of Jordan, so says the ENTIRE world. So Jordan can not give away what never was part of their country. It also was never / still is not part of Israel.... so says the ENTIRE world. It really is this simple. So please stop ranting nonsense and stick to the consensus.
     
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    Jordan annexed the WB in 1950; the people there were granted Jordanian citizenship and given representation in the Jordanian government.
    Thus, the WB was part of Jordan
    No amount of opinion from anyone changes these facts.
     
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    The opinion of THE ENTIRE WORLD is that they do not acknowledge that Jordan ever annexed the WB, and so it did not happen. That you and Jordan claimed they did is a totally irrelevant opinion. Jordan only occupied it, and gave the people citizenships and the power to vote. That is it.
     
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    No amount of opinion from anyone changes the facts I laid out.
     
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