The legitimacy of Trump's presidency is in doubt

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  1. Ironrnan

    Ironrnan Member

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    President Trump says 3 to 5 million illegal votes were cast in the 2016 general election. Since there is no way to know for whom those votes were cast, it's entirely possible Trump may have actually lost some key states which helped get him get 306 electoral votes. He won Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by a total of 107 thousand votes, winning by 27,257, 11,612 and 68,236 in those states respectively. For all anyone knows, there might have been enough illegal votes in those states to legitimately question the outcome.

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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess we need to take Trump at his word, he did not win fair and square if this fraud he says happened... really happened

    time for a revote - :)
     
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    Isn't the big plan of Libs and MSM to delegitimize Trump? It won't work because Americans know them for whst they are----unAmerican,angry, bitter little losers...
     
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    The Illegitimate One lost by 2.8 million votes, yet claims a mandate to change, if not warp, America. This aggression will not stand...
     
  5. Ironrnan

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    It's not the "Libs" or the "MSM" delegitimizing Trump. It's Trump delegitimizing Trump.

    He's the one saying there were 3-5 million illegal votes cast in the election.

    How can he legitimately be the president if we don't know that he actually won some of those close states?
     
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    Hahaha! More wishful thinking. After the recounts Hillary lost votes. After the effort to influence the EC Hillary lost EC votes....lolz!
     
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    “The peaceful transfer of power is the cornerstone of our democracy,” Pelosi said....when she thought Clinton was winning.

    The “peaceful transition of power is one of the hallmarks of our democracy,” Obama added, insisting that come January, “we are going to show that to the world.”

    Hillary Clinton criticized on Friday (October 21) her Republican rival Donald Trump for his recent refusal to commit to accepting the result of Nov. 8 election. "By doing that, he is threatening our democracy," she told supporters in Cleveland, Ohio.

    "This poses a direct threat to our democracy," Clinton, the Democratic nominee, said during a rally with her running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), in Philadelphia.

    And where are they now, watching people go apesh8&%t over the loss. Peaceful?? Not a peep out of them criticizing these snowflakes whining over everything.

    Interesting isn't it?
     
  8. Ironrnan

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    What wishful thinking? This is Trump's own claim. Trump is the one saying the election is in doubt by claiming there are as many as 5 million votes that don't count. There's no way of identifying which candidate was affected more by those 3-5 million votes. It's entirely possible that there were enough illegal votes cast is states where Trump won by small margins which puts the legitimacy of his office into question.

    And it's not the left saying this. It's not the MSM saying this. It's Trump himself saying this.
     
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    By illegal votes he means votes from immigrants undocumented or otherwise. Thise immigrants arent going to vote for a guy who wants to deport them and wall them out. If anything it would be influential in illegally voting at all.
     
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    No, it is you saying it. President Trump did not post the OP. You are the one taking the leap here.
     
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    Dead people and illegals vote democrat, not Republican.
     
  12. Ironrnan

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    You should be asking that of President Trump. He's the one doubting the outcome of the election.

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    Thanks for your opinion but there is no way to prove that.
     
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    Very cute. Nice twist of logic. I loved it.
     
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    Does this mean Democrats are fully on board with getting to the bottom of it with an investigation? Let's do it.

    Thanks for the laugh suggesting illegal aliens voting for Trump.

    Every time we did a recount or electoral count the only person that lost votes was Clinton.
     
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    Jill Stein already order recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    Wisconsin and Michigan ended up with Trump not only getting more votes, but winning by a greater margin.

    The Pennslyvania recount was halted by a judge after he had enough of the foolishness.
     
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    Good thing we are having a probe to figure it out.
     
  17. Ironrnan

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    Trump said he's open to an immigration policy similar to Obama's in that he's willing to let some stay as long as they've been here long enough and have not committed any crimes other than their immigration status.

    "No citizenship. Let me go a step further, they’ll pay back taxes, they have to pay taxes, there’s no amnesty as such. There’s no amnesty. But we work with them. Now, okay, but when I look at the rooms, and I have this all over, now everybody agrees we get the bad ones out, but when I go through and I meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and I’ve had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they’ve said, Mr. Trump, I love you, but to take a person that’s been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out, it’s so tough, Mr. Trump. I mean, I’ve — I have it all the time. It’s a very, very hard thing."

    If illegal aliens voted in the election, there's no telling how many could have voted for Trump.

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    I hope we do. I know that Trump signaled he wants one but I haven't heard he's going through with it yet.
     
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    Oh? What twist of logic? How can we be certain Trump won if as many as 5 million votes were cast illegaly?
     
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    Trump is not doubting anything He IS POTUS.
     
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    I don't speak for Democrats, only for myself, but I think there should be a full investigation. The problem is, if it's found that 3 to 5 million votes were cast illegally, it's impossible to determine for whom the votes were cast.

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    He said there were 3-5 million illegal votes cast. How does that not place doubt on the outcome of the election?
     
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    Election is over. He still won. Next.
     
  22. GrayMan

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    Either way i just want the voting process to be legit.

    The process in some states leaves the door open for speculation and it shouldnt be that way.

    This doesnt just bring into question the legitimacy of the current president but of many presidents since the voting methods have been the same in many states for awhile.
     
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    The problem is some people cannot accept this. Watching them go thru the stages of grief is kinda sad.
     
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    We have known for some time now that there are problems in our election process. Are there dead people who are registered to vote? Yes there are. Are there people registered to vote in multiple jurisdictions? Yes there are. Are there people in the country illegally registered to vote? Yes there are. Now if we are to have any faith in our election system, we need to get to the bottom of these problems, and make sure that corrective measures are put in place to prevent their continuation. If this is what President Trump is asking for, does anybody disagree?
     
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    Oh I dunno, maybe we could look at the voting habits of those groups predominately in the country illegally maybe.
     

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