Democrats are Destroying the Legal System

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  1. tsuke

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    Democrats are Destroying the Legal System

    The democrats are making my head hurt. Initially we had a constitutional challenge to the travel ban. The legal argument for that was that the intent of the ban should be gotten not from the text of it nor from the statements of the government regarding the executive order but rather from statements made on the campaign trail and by a friend of the President. Now we have a constitutional challenge to the executive order requiring agencies to remove two regulations for every new one they put in place. The legal argument being that the order might remove a regulation that should stay in place. No mention of any specifics. The constitutional challenge is that the executive branch no longer has the right to repeal regulations that the executive branch itself put in place. This is not the end of it. There will be more nonsense coming up.

    Crying Wolf

    In an effort to oppose Trump democrats are manufacturing constitutional crisises that don't exist. The legal arguments against the executive orders are so bad that under normal circumstances they would never have been made, with good reason as they go against every established practice in law. Yet because the Democrats are hell bent on opposing Trump no matter what the cases will go to the Supreme Court and they will be forced to decide on it.

    There is a dirty secret to constitutional law that nobody wants to admit. I can make any argument I want against any statute or order I want and I will find a court that will agree with me on it. That is not a question. This is not limited to democrats either. There are liberal courts and there are conservative ones. It all depends on finding the right court. The ninth circuit for instance has 83% of its decisions in cases the Supreme Courts hears overturned. If they had that rate of accuracy in law school they would never have graduated.

    The democrats have control over a significant portion of the media which means that they are able to portray these cases as legitimate no matter how stupid they actually are. It then puts the Supreme Court in a position where it either has to side with Trump giving the impression that it is caving to him or oppose him overturning every legal precedent out there which they will not do. Worse partisan hacks on the democratic side will be forced to create a dissent to agree with these views. Ginsberg will be forced to defend why the executive no longer has the right to repeal its own regulations and Sotomayor will defend why it is proper to ignore the statute and instead focus on public statements for statutory construction. Note that I am not saying partisan hacks on the right do not exist either. These dissents will now be part of jurisprudence and can be used by hacks on the right and the left in the future.

    The public seeing these things will reach one of two conclusions. Either the democrats cry wolf all the time and should not be listened to or that the Supreme Court has no will to stand up to Trump and will just rubber stamp everything he does eroding trust in the court. When an actual legitimate constitutional crisis does come up Trump will be able to point to all these decisions as well and say that the issue of the day is just another nuisance lawsuit. Except at that point it will not be a nuisance suit and a valid legal question. Anyone has the right to challenge the constitutionality of the executive and legislative and it is a vital part of our checks and balances. Used incorrectly it weakens the very thing that we need.

    Justice Gorsuch

    When Gorsuch was first brought up I initially said I was ambivalent towards him. In another article I said that I did not vote for the Supreme Court and it was much more important to me that the other members in the Trump coalition who did vote for the Supreme Court pick were happy with the choice. I have now come to realize that we need Justice Gorsuch badly.

    Gorsuch once wrote "American liberals have been addicted to the courtroom relying on judges and lawyers rather than elected leaders and the ballot box, as the primary means of effecting their social agenda on everything from gay marriage to assisted suicide to the use of vouchers for private-school education, This overweening addiction to the courtroom as the place to debate social policy is bad for the country and bad for the judiciary.”

    This is exactly the kind of attitude that we need right now. One of the justices needs to stand up to the left and tell them enough is enough.
     
  2. Bravo Duck

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    The left has been weaponizing the law for decades.

    We need a Supreme Court that will unambiguously shut this down and overturn the most egregious examples of judicial legislation.
     
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    Republican President Bush nominated the judge in Seattle.

    he was confirmed by 99 Senators.
     
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    your post is ignorant
     
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    you have a very tough future ahead of you if you plan to keep defending trump
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its the job of judges to stop laws they find are illegal or unConstitutional.

    deal with it
     
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    This is true. I also point out I can find a judge anywhere to declare anything unconstitutional. It just depends on the judge. The main issue is the frequency and stupidity of these lawsuits which will keep forcing the SC to side with trump.
     
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    every single Federal judge in the USA has been confirmed by the United States Senate.
     
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    lol. You are aware 83% of the decisions heard by the supreme court for the ninth district have been overturned. Not that other districts are that much better.
     
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    Republican Bush appointed 327 federal judges, including 2 Justices to the Supreme Court of the United States (including one Chief Justice), 62 judges to the United States Courts of Appeals, 261 judges to the United States district courts and 2 judges to the United States Court of International Trade.

    Dermocrat Obama appointed 329 Federal judges, including two justices to the Supreme Court of the United States, 55 judges to the United States Courts of Appeals, 268 judges to the United States district courts, and four judges to the United States Court of International Trade.
     
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    Oh give me a break! Trumpeizda is calling Bush appointed judges "so called judges" , trying to blame future possible terrorist attacks on judges he hates, accuses the independent media of dishonesty, calls Veterans such as NcCain a loser, states his love for Putin in a way that may be homosexual but I don' t know but I read that on the internets.
     
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    The law that Trump is using has been in effect since 1952 and has been used many times since then. Again activist judges are trying to subvert the law.
     
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    What do you think should be done when an elected official violates a law?

    Do we never need to hold their feet to the fire? If we had a Democrat for president and a democratic congress, I'm pretty sure you would be saying the opposite of what you say now. And that would mean you're more into advantages for your chosen party than for what is effective, right and workable. The word "hypocrisy" was made for just such a situation.
     
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    You should file a case as I mentionted. The problem is when you file so many cases with legal reasonings that are so stupid you run the risk of crying wolf as I mentioned. I address what your saying if you bothered to read the OP.
     
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    When the sententious Sotomayor was nominated, I knew we were in for it. It seems that most of those Obama appointed rely on their feelings and values rather than their ability to think...in fact, IMO many of them are not able to think their way out of a paper bag. What makes it worse is that they use a watered down kind of thinking that relies on prebaked concepts that have no validity but feel good.

    Apparently our judiciary has been significantly watered down during the last eight years. I hope to whatever deity there may be that Trump's administration will be able to turn this development around, so Americans can continue to see the Constitution is interpreted accurately and not turned on its head to victimize us in whatever way our elites and their pet migrants wish.
     
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    How many Roe v. Wade defeating laws have the right passed and had smacked back into their teeth by the courts in the last 45 years?
     
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    Legal system is working just fine.

    Just cause Cons don't like their decisions doesn't mean the system isn't working.

    More than 300 current Federal judges were selected by Bush.
     
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    The democrats lost all three houses of government, the majority of state seats, etc. All they HAVE is the judiciary. They cannot do anything about anything, UNLESS they can get it into court. Expect lawsuit after lawsuit for this reason; it's the only power they have left for blocking republicans.
     
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    And we have the Senate filibuster.
     
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    true. the filibuster would actually be the right tool to do some of the things you are trying to get done.
     

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