Breaking: Appeals court upholds ruling blocking Trump's immigration order

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  1. MMC

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    Try again.....the ban was until more serious vetting could be put in place. So once again you are wrong about my conclusion.

    But it is quite interesting how you try and downplay a serious threat. Not only to the US but to others. But then it should be expected by your kind, huh?

    At least until an attack strikes closer home to you. Then we shall see how you handle it and what comes out that mouth.
     
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    And why is Iran on the ban list?

    Sure, Iran has been an evil country for most Americans since Khomeini, mainly because of the embassy mission and hostage. I do not want to take into account that this was triggered by a CIA action before what is mostly unknown to US people, even being confirmed to be true ... but just ask who Trump wanted to meet with the ban against Iran.

    Basically, he wants to meet the Hezbollah, who actually knows everyone and where everyone knows that they are evil, terrorists supported by Iran. But now we have a problem, if this was the intention or even partial the intention of Trump. Question: Where is Hezbollah, in which country?

    Answer: Hezbollah is located in the south of Lebanon and it is a local, Lebanese Islamist group supported by Iran!

    Next question: Is the Lebanon on the Ban list? No!

    OK, so it is no harder for any Hezbollah terrorist to enter the US than before this ban! Thank you Mr. Trump, you make the USA really safer!
     
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    The Constitution grants Congress complete power in regards to setting immigration policy. Congress delegated authority to POTUS, on National Security.

    Judges can't rule that the Constitution is UnConstitutional / Illegal.......this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.
     
  4. Pollycy

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    RINO "W" Bush appointed one of the judges. And your point...?

    Next, the President of the United States is not (NOT) under any requirement to "demonstrate a clear and present danger" to some bunch of stooge "judges" in order to take measures that, as Commander-in-Chief, he deems necessary to protect the security and safety of the nation. Moreover, aliens in other countries have no (NO) rights as citizens under the Constitution whatsoever|! Read it if you don't believe me!

    But, let's take your point at face value and let me pose a question to you (which I doubt you'll answer) -- where was the "clear and present danger" to the United States when Obama unleashed military warfare on the legitimate government of Libya, resulting in the overthrowing of that government while turning the country over to a cabal of Islamo-Nazis? The War Powers Resolution of 1973 which Obama broke, thus breaking the LAW, reads, in part:

    This LAW provides that the U.S. President can send U.S. Armed Forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

    So... where were the stooge "judges" who tied Obama's hands? Which RINO Republicans stood up and threatened impeachment and removal for Obama's willful breaking of the LAW?! No judicial intervention when Obama BROKE THE (*)(*)(*)(*)ING LAW, but they prevent Trump from taking measures to insure the country's safety after we have already seen, again and again, Islamo-terrorism unleashed on American soil!

    It becomes more and more obvious with the passing of every hour what is really going on here: the complete destruction of the Constitution and the Separation of Powers that is so very clearly described in it! It started with "W" Bush and gained insurmountable strength during Obama's regime. Now this "shadow" government has completely taken over, corrupting, distorting, manipulating, and devastating every vestige of Rule of Law under the Constitution of the United States. I thought we had a real chance of rescuing the country by turning away a stupid, corrupt criminal like Hilarity Clinton... but I thought wrong. Orwell's "1984" is settling deep into our country like a fatal disease, and I doubt that anything can stop it now.... :skull:
     
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    Obviously. And they all group together to riot and protest when they lose their shot at having another one.
     
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    Notbin thos stay order that is for at trial. Where did they strike or even address the law under whicb he executed his authority? Quote the relevent sections.
     
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    Like I said though, I am actually not against a Muslim ban, but I have different motives then a lot of people on that front. I think Islam IS a dangerous religion, I think the fundamentals of Islam are exceedingly violent, and I think Islam will always have a rotten core of violent extremists simply because the fundamentals of Islam itself are damaged.

    I think the same way, though, about Christianity and Judaism, that's probably the only difference between me and most other posters here who support a muslim ban - I go a step further.

    I think the order IS CONSTITUTIONAL. And I think the Left is just trying to crush the POTUS to try and prove a point, albeit, at the expense of everyone. He is our president, and his failures will be our failures. We need him to succeed, and the left needs to get over it, and pick their battles. They can't fight EVERYTHING.
     
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    The attacker at Ohio State was from Somalia. But the real question is how many people have been killed in Europe by immigrants from the seven countries ?? And the fact that ISIS has publicized a strategy for committing terrorism by immigrants/refugees entering foreign countries. Trump's EO is a temporary halt to immigration from the seven countries whose gov's are not capable or willing to vet individuals properly and to allow the US the time to develop appropriate vetting procedures. Trump's EO is meant to protect US citizens until those procedures are ready.

    The ninth circuit did not consider the INA statute or the Constitutionality of the EO. They basically argued that foreign citizens living in other countries have due process rights with regard to entry into the US. They did not consider the Constitutional responsibility of the President to protect US citizens.

    The ninth circuit is basically a joke - ~ 90% of their rulings are overturned by the SCOTUS. Justice Kagan has voted in line with the Trump EO and hopefully would do so again. IMO this dust up with the ninth circuit is a huge political victory for Trump as it again shows that the left places the welfare of foreign nationals who might be terrorists above the safety and security of innocent US citizens. Everyday we hear of suicide bombings in the ME by individuals directed by ISIS, AQ, etc Those are the same type of individuals that ISIS is actively attempting to get into the US. The high fiving of the left is seen by the people as a slap in the face to their security.
     
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    That administration is over. Get with the times, and yes, it must have been part of the plan because they lost in historical fashion. It'll be a long time before y'all see another democrat president.

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    If you care that much about foreigners, perhaps the government can work a deal out to let you have the next family that flees. How many can you hold in your house?
     
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    But Rudi asked for a Muslim ban :) How many investigations did you do ?

    Irrelevant its not in the EO

    Irrelevant. what he said in the past has nothing to do with the order
     
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    The check on the courts is they are appointed by the executive branch and approved by the legislative.

    There certainly was a ban in the EO- a ban on anyone from Syria.
     
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    Because they didn't rule according to law, they ruled according to how they feel. Bad for the democrats. I can't help but laugh when they cheer this on as a victory. Especially Hillary, LOLOLOL
     
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    You're welcome to your opinion on needing more orientalists.

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    I'm just going to bookmark this post for a later date. :smile:

    Enjoy your day.
     
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    Two-thirds of the panel was reportedly concerned that the law was intended to discriminate based on a religion......snip~

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2017/02/09/appeals-court-rules-n2283087


    There it is.....2/3rds concerned about discrimination based on a religion. Even Sotomayor and Kagan wont see it like that.
     
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    How about the ones that are there for life? Once they are in wheres the check ?

    No there was a temporary halt to immigration
     
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    If that happens, so it shall be. The nation does not abandon the rule of law in the meantime, and grovel before a supreme leader whose tweets are a substitute for law.

    That is not the way of patriotic Americans.
     
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    The constitution is the foundation of our government. I dont know about you but I dont want a foundation that moves around with the prevailing wind
     
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    Wrong. The political ingénue's unilateral discriminatory gambit was partisan, of course, the messiah pandering to his cult.

    The courts, impervious to the influences of elective considerations, have made a judicial ruling.

    If the courts had ruled otherwise, the hyper-partisan cult of trumpery would be praising them as paragons of jurisprudence.



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    Well that explains the massive uptick in attacks by foreign nationals. Oh wait...
     
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    Worship your messiah, and don't concern yourself with judges rioting and protesting. Their judicial decisions are singularly free of emotion and passion.
     
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    The law that was posted.....is the law. Let me know when you figure that out.
     
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    Impervious to the law you mean .
     

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