Has anyone else noticed?

Ironic indeed. I've seen a few references especially in British media to "whataboutery". I think this is whataboutery. And this is exactly what this thread is discussing.

 

You know, you might have a point. I mean, what if there was a thread somewhere about Obama adding a trillion-plus a year to the national debt but instead of discussing it you ended up with someone deflecting onto a previous administration? Like, this guy perhaps?

So I suppose you have a point. That Andrew Jackson guy, what do you think about him deflecting onto Bush and all? Would you agree that deflection is all he has and all he ever will have?

 

Glad it sounds good to you since both you and I will have to agree to disagree on this thread. Carry on comrade.

 

It's the tactic of deflection. You can those Trumpeizdas who throw the George Soros up. This is not just a phenomenon of this forum that is pretty much the MO of Trumpeizdas all over.

 

It's not my assessment, these are undeniable facts, things he actually has accomplished in his first month.

-The Dakota/Keystone pipeline
-Sanctuary cities defunding
-TPP nullification
-Federal government hiring freeze
-Border wall authorization
-Entry ban for 7 countries

Because I am not a lib? Because I don't burn American flags for fun.

 

I don't think it is as often as "whenever", but I have noticed that it does happen some.

It happens about as often, and probably for the same reasons, as when someone points out the bigotry and intolerance (and appertaining hypocrisy) intrinsic to many viewpoints (especially the more extreme versions) expressed by the left. Often when some leftist is confronted with the recognition that he or she has said something bigoted or racist, the person immediately changes the subject to Trump, or something that avoids dealing with or even discussing it.

At the core, I do not think either of the two groups are always trying to dodge the issue. Sometimes I see attempts to explain go awry for no reason other than that the participants are so intent on demonizing each other that plain meanings are willfully misunderstood by the audience.

It is what makes talking to the extremists regarding lots of issues (abortion, god's non-existence, Trump, SJWs, Obama, Hillary, LGBTQ, etc.) so boring.

Folks,
There is no reason to demonize people with whom you disagree. The unfounded moral judgments of the writers and responders have no bearing on whether or not what they are saying is true and logical.

The point of this site is for people to have fun dealing with disparate ideas. lighten up.

 

Not a another one who drank the kool-aid and ignores that it was Barack Obama as a lawyer in the hood and as a Senator who who helped create the recession he inherited.

When Obama won the election in 2008 nobody went out rioting and looting or threaten to blow up the White House or played with Play Dough. No Republicans in Congress boycotted Obama's inauguration. For two years Obama's leftist controlled both houses of Congress.

It was TARP that saved the financial institutions and that was signed into law by President G.W. Bush, not Obama.

Obama got his $787 billion dollar stimulus (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009) for shovel ready jobs but there were no shovel ready jobs. Instead labor unions pension funds were bailed out, Chrysler was forced to be sold to an Italian bicycle company and Cars for Clunkers.

The so called "Great Recession" ended by June of 2009 and there would be no full recovery of the economy while the Federal Reserve would prop up Wall Street and Obama's phony economy. But the real reason why there wasn't a full recovery of the economy for 7 1/2 years was Obama's over 20,600 anti business regulations that he forced upon Main Street and businesses.

There's another yuuge factor why Obama's economy never recovered, Businesses on Main Street, Wall Street and the American consumer never had any confidence with an anti business Alynskyite sitting in the White House. There was no optimism in the economy with Obama in the White House unlike we are seeing today. On January 9th, 2016 for the first time in eight years there was finally a new optimism in the economy knowing there will be a pro American businessman who will be in the White House.

 

Perhaps to point out the hypocrisy of the faux liberals, who are neocons, neoliberals, mixed in with the dems who live in a world they created inside their heads where up is down and down is up?

Most of the attacks on trump from these faux liberals lack evidence, and they rely upon unnamed sources, which may or may not exist in the first place. When the general response to trump is, he is mentally ill, or a Russian agent, a moron, stupid, hitler, fascist, so on and so forth, it elicits responses that are just as meaningless, that sinks to the same level of people whose brains are only used to keep the organs working, and moot when it comes to rationality, logic reason, and the lack of knowledge in regards to the history of humanity.

 

Martin Luther King was a commie community organizer who used the leftist code word for violence which is "peaceful."

The low information are indoctrinated with the words of MLK but are not told of the actions committed by MLK followers.

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...8#q=martin+luther+king,+discover+the+networks

MLK wasn't a popular commie organizer back during the 1960's. He was connected to CPUSA who got their orders from the Kremlin just like the racist Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC).

MLK gave aid to our enemies in particular Communist North Vietnam.

Gallup measured the public's perception of King in a different fashion in the 1960s, using a "scalometer" that asked the public to rate him on a +5 to a -5 scale. The resulting data show that King's image became more negative as the years went on. And the American people noticed it.

It would take cultural-marxism revisionist history and threats of violence and threats of boycotts and a whole lot of indoctrination of those to young to remember who MLK really was to make MLK something he really wasn't.

MLK is honored every year, and you may remember that any state who didn't recognize MLK birthday as a state holiday were threaten with violence and boycotts.

 

I did not read all the replays, so I may be repeating someone else's points.
I think the answer to your question is simple . . President Trump isn't perfect ! That being said, the reason for referring to Obama and the Clintons is to hi-lite the poor and ineffective leadership that you were willing to put up with.

 

I wouldn't say it's universal among Trumpsters, but it happens plenty.

Same reason the Obamatons did likewise during the last 8 years, obviously.

You can call it that if you want. I'd call it assimilating the character flaws of your enemies.

 

so many lies in this post it has to be written by trump

 

You have been well indoctrinated Katzgar, bigly indoctrinated.

 

What are Trump supporters supposed to have done.? Or said.
Talk about a straw man.They merely voted for and support their guy { Trump }.

 

I don't share your assessment that these are universally positive accomplishments.

Are you a U.S. citizen?

 

Fair enough. His accomplishments is what he promised during the campaign and what the American people elected him to do. And these accomplishments are extremely impressive, given that he's been in the office for less than a month and does not even have his cabinet yet.

PS Why do you libs love to burn American flags?

 

How ironic. . . . Exposing a straw man argument is itself considered a straw man argument. . . . . . . ??????????????????

 

Pathological avoidance is preferable to contriving a laughably feeble defense, and transparent attempts at diversion are the form that usually takes.

Quite often, some revert to sniveling about nefarious, nebulous, albeit ubiquitous, "Liberals!" that fester in their noggins!

 

Maybe if the OP Thread strarter ,knew sentence structure there wouldn't be the need\
to act like he wrote what he meant.
Very misleading this ... " Whenever a Trump supporter is confronted with things he
does or says ".
That should be " Whenever a Trump supporter is confronted with things President
Trump does or says ".
No wonder we badly need Betsy DeVos at the helm as Education Secretary.

 

I don't condone burning American flags. . . . You did not answer my question, so I assume you are not a U.S. citizen. As a non-voter and non-resident, not only do you not have a vested interest in our country, but your opinion is also OFFICIALLY irrelevant.

 

Semantics and logic are inseparably linked. . . . You need to work on both of them in order to understand the meaning of "straw man".

 

His partial Muslim ban has been suspended indefinitely.

There is no defunding of Sanctuary Cities.

The Border Wall may not get built

 

You love its people enough to trample them underfoot for the sake of corporate sovereignty, while watching from a distance? Neither waving a flag nor burning it makes a person a patriot.

 

"Why?" That is easy...it is the lasting effect of the far earlier infestation of BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). Conservatives learned there was truth in Shakespeare's speech..." Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him. The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Caesar."

We found through the lefts antics that real and imagined actions by the Bush administration could be used for years and years to excuse worse bumbles and behavior by the Obama administration...You know, the "But Bush did it" excuse for all of Obama's incompetence...

Obama and the left had a heck of a good time excusing themselves by bashing Bush for at least 6 years...Trump is only 1 month into his term...The right figures we have years of examples to use as guidance.

 

The loss of entire industries, millions of jobs lost to China and Mexico, $10 trillion extra debt, skyrocketing health costs, skyrocketing income inequality, rampant illegal immigration depressing American wages.... Dude, this is Obama, this is Hillary, this is the last 8 years (and prior to that). This is NOT Trump.