McCain criticizes Trump calling media 'the enemy': 'That's how dictators get started'

Anyone can make the argument dictators take away free speech. That isn't what McCain said, and it isn't what I asked for. I asked for evidence it's HOW A DICTATOR GOT STARTED.

 

Adolf Hitler did not come to power by claiming the press was an enemy of the people. He came to power by proclaiming communists were the enemy of the people. The German parliament building burned to the ground and the nazis used it to institute emergency powers to combat the communist threat. AND THEN came limiting freedom of the press.

 

Taking just your first item as an example, the answer is...The Press Was Covering It In Depth.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/27/world/americas/operation-fast-and-furious-fast-facts/

Operation Fast and Furious Fast Facts
CNN Library
Updated 5:52 PM ET, Mon September 26, 2016
Attorney General Eric Holder answers questions while testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on June 12, 2012.
Attorney General Eric Holder answers questions while testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on June 12, 2012.
(CNN)Here's some background information about Operation Fast and Furious. From 2009-2011, under Operation Fast and Furious, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Phoenix Field Division, along with other partners, allowed illegal gun sales, believed to be destined for Mexican drug cartels, in order to track the sellers and purchasers.

Facts:
An estimated 1,400 weapons were lost by the ATF in Mexico. Two of the missing weapons linked to the operation turned up at the Arizona murder scene of United States Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.
Whistle-blowing leads to a Congressional investigation by the Senate Judiciary Committee and the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and Attorney General Eric Holder is cited for contempt.​

Right Wing Conservative: I don't watch/read the MSM because the MSM is so full of $hit. The MSM doesn't cover events negative to the Left.

If you don't watch/read the MSM how do you know they don't cover events negative to the Left?

Right Wing Conservative: I saw it on Fox and I heard Rush tell me!

 

Well, actually there are sites such as MRC that do the watching, reading, and documenting for us. If MRC says the MSM used the words "Russian spies" 900 times in a week, anyone with access to the same information can dispute their data.

 

You made the allegation that the media gets "their marching orders from the DNC and they follow them...".

Obviously you cannot substantiate your allegation, so you deflect by telling me to do what you cannot do.

That tactic has been used ad nauseam by people who post crap they pulled out of their a$$es.

So, I'll ask again, How, specifically, do "most of the media get their marching orders from the DNC"?

 

Who you say? I can find dozens of Obama quotes praising Putin. Same with ol girl Hill. Was theirs also tacit support for and adoration of mr Putin then?

 

An attack on the MSM is an attack on McCain. He lives and breathes being the "Maverick". An honest and fair media would deflate the man.

 

Unlike the Democrats we are free- thinkers for ourselves and do not fall in line to get our marching orders. McCain does not speak for the majority of us. Many of us do believe that the liberal press is one of Americas great enemies and should not be trusted. If the press is the 4th estate then they are doing their best to bring down the other 3 estates. Like many on this forum; untruths, deception and omissions of truth work best to stir up hate of the opposition.

 

CNN, did an in depth interview with the whistleblower on their morning show, I saw it. But the evening primetime shows never mentioned it. CBS had had Sharyl Attkisson, a very good reporter, reporting on the story but was told to tone done the story (it's in her book, Stonewalled) and she resigned.
The fast and furious scandal was in the limelight for about 10 DC minutes, no more.
Answering to Congress is hardly the same as reporting the story.
How would you know I don't watch the sycophant msm? Look all you want on this or any other forum where I said I didn't watch the msm, you assume too much. I was in the military and lesson one, watch your enemy, and I do not only for information but humor too.

 

I stopped trying to prove (*)(*)(*)(*) to people on forums long ago. It's not worth my effort. Search Wikileaks's DNC leaks and find out for yourself. The truth is there and easy to find or one can remain purposely ignorant. I think we both know which choice you'll make.

 

Pic any communique from ms Wassermann Schultz vis a vis either the Clinton campaign, or specific interactions with the actual media, ie CNN, MSNBC, et al.

WikiLeaks provides quite a trove of these. If you are unaware, it isn't because this hasn't been widely commented on.

 

Is that when his daddy told him "No, your name is not Barry but Barack."

 

See the Bernie Sanders fiasco. DNC operatives causing disruptions at Trump rallies.

 

McCain, who broke under pressure in a prison camp and gave up information to the enemy? The Diplomat who is a legend in his own mind. More like a dip-s**t would be more accurate.

You have any proof that Trump is a Russian sympathizer? Thought not.
You have any proof that Trump was a draft dodger? Thought not.

 

When you become a hero to the alt-Left it is time to hang it up.

 

As I was posting my response I got to thinking...

Oh yeah, he said "Got Started". Gee, he may be right. Hitler, Mao, Castro, Putin, Mussolini didn't "Get Started" by taking away free speech. He's not really going to use that dodge, is he? He must know the context McCain was using.​

Well, hell, if you're going to be picky. Hitler was never even elected for anything other than the head of the Nazi party. German President Paul von Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler as Chancellor.

The dictionary defines "dictator" as "a ruler with total power over a country". Again, if we are going to be picky, I don't believe anyone has ever had "total" power. Let's just say almost all power.

So, when he got appointed Chancellor, he did not have even almost all power. Technically, at that time, he was not a dictator. What steps did Chancellor Hitler take to earn the mantle of "dictator". Hitler was appointed Chancellor in January, 1933. From my above post we see one of the earliest things Hitler did:

During the first weeks of 1933, the Nazi regime deployed the radio, press, and newsreels to stoke fears of a pending “Communist uprising,”​

So, yeah, it's a start.

Of course, if you want to continue to be picky, I guess you could say Hitler's birth was the start of him becoming a dictator. And, I guess, if you wanted to be really picky and you were a religious fundamentalist, you could say Hitler's conception was the start of him becoming a dictator.

 

That's fair. Bush was such a disaster, and the country in such bad shape that even Hillary might have beat McCain. That being said, it doesn't take away from my opinion he would have been a decent president. While I disagree with a lot of what McCain believes, I don't doubt that he thinks what he does is best for all Americans. That kind of sentiment has been lost in the contemporary republican party.

 

There's a difference between saying a dictator got started by saying the media is an enemy of the people, and a dictator restricting free speech to advance his power. As if we don't know that's what dictators do. John McCain is a bitter man and his hyperbolic rants aren't useful to anyone but left wing haters, whom he still can't resist trying to impress, even after they tried to destroy him. What a dumbass. Cut your nose off to spite your face.

 

There is nothing comparable with the right wing homoerotic love fest with the despotic tyrant known as Putin. I get it, he's an insecure baby who is more concerned with his status than the well being of the country he's oppressing. Truly a right wing hero.

 

At least this part is honest. Ronnie Reagan would be turning in his grave if he saw what has happened to his republican party. What a disgrace.

 

Very true.

Reagan's anti-Russian ("tear down this wall") rhetoric, replaced by a POTUS that sucks up to Putin like a nerd to a prom queen.

Yes. The Gipper is spinning in his grave.

 

McCain is a washed up has-been who needs to retire.

 

I visited the MRC site. I was unable to search "Russian spies" or the phrase "900 times in a week". Actually, I did not find a search tool at all. Maybe I just missed it.

I even visited the page...

http://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101​

Media Bias 101: What Journalists Really Think -- and What the Public Thinks About Them​

Nope, no search capability. So, i just have to take your word for it that 'MSM used the words "Russian spies" 900 times in a week'.

But, for the sake of this discussion, OK.

Well, how many MSM outlets are there? There must be hundreds of MSM TV stations. So if every one of them mentioned "Russian spies" once a day for a week that would account for: 'MSM used the words "Russian spies" 900 times in a week'.

I wonder if the MRC did an analysis of the number of times the MSM quoted Trump saying "Fake News"?

Let's not forget, this subthread was started by you posting:

That was you implying the MSM didn't cover issues negative to Dems. My response clearly showed you to be wrong.

What does MRC have to say about 'fast and furious'? Do they state 'fast and furious' was not covered by the MSM? Again, I could not find any search capabilities on the MRC site. Perhaps you can.

If you cannot search their site, how do you get your information from them?

Bottom line, it's really sad that you let one site "do the watching, reading, and documenting" for you.

ETA: Apparently, two different people are involved with posts I referenced. YouLie and GC17. Sorry I conflated your posts.

 

McCain is a seemingly half-senile war monger who appears to be bent out-of-shape because Trump was able to do what he said Trump wouldn't be able to do and what he himself failed to do, win the Presidency.

 

Total BS.

After all that was revealed during the election, including the fact that the press was colluding with the Hilary campaign and the DNC, anyone who thinks that the press holds the govt accountable is either a shill for the press or totally uninformed.