California to weigh single-payer, universal health care plan - Includes Illegals

How do you figure?

Today, CA gives more to the US than it gets.

 

It would be really interesting to see it implemented, to be sure. It works for other western countries, so why shoudn't it work in the US, at least at the state level? Actually, it might be good to have state-administered single payer systems with the feds merely providing some oversight and emergency funding, that of thing.

 

Isn't their a highspeed rail that money is being wasted on that could have gone to repairing any issues?

 

Do you really want the crap ass health care they get in the UK? Or worse yet, you pay through the nose in taxes and still have to buy private insurance anyway like in France.

 

Here is the website of one of the California State Senators who introduced the bill. It says every California resident is covered.
http://sd33.senate.ca.gov/news/2017...rnia-act-seeks-one-plan-more-choice-residents

 

What's so crappy about the UK's NHS? It's been around a long time now and seems to be doing its job just fine. I don't see many Brits complaining about it. Canada and Australia are similarly set up and people there seem fine with what they have. Only here is health care such a crisis issue, and only here, where we've never even tried single payer, are people so vehemently against it.

 

Didn't Obama get a 305 billion infrastructure bill in 2015?

 

Well medicare has 2% overhead? Advantage 20% for the insurance companies? Keep the gov out of my medicare that's what the trumpie said

 

Apples and oranges. Government estimates do not include buildings and collection like the IRS.

 

We spend more per capita on health care than they do.

Aggregating that to one bill doesn't mean we would be paying more.

Instead, it would be a specific item that can be addressed as a whole, rather than trying to coerce for-profit insurance companies to take action - a direction that has for DECADES proven to fail.

 

You don't see many Brits complaining because they have forgotten what it's like to not have to wait for 4 + hours on an ambulance gurney in the parking lot before even making it in the doors. We've never tried it because all we need to do is look around.

The median waiting time has doubled in the last 20 years....it's gotten worse rather than better.

In case the NHS horror stories couldn’t get any worse….

Four and a half hour wait for ill 81-year-old

Heart-attack victims forced to wait FOUR hours for ambulances

Overcrowded Hospitals Overwhelm U.K.'s National Health Service

My NHS: From relief to horror after I contracted MRSA on the ward

Britain’s Single-Payer Horror Show: Report Details NHS Body Count

Yet ANOTHER NHS horror story from Wales: Dying elderly cancer patient left 'screaming in pain' on a trolley in A&E for nine hours

NHS case study: Sunday Mirror readers reveal their hospital horror stories

Overcrowded Hospitals Overwhelm U.K.'s National Health Service

NHS surgery horror stories revealed

NHS horror: Heart-attack victims forced to wait FOUR hours for ambulances

In case the NHS horror stories couldn’t get any worse….

Up to 1,200 needless deaths, patients abused, staff bullied to meet targets... yet a secret inquiry into failing hospital says no one's to blame

Teenager, 15, who had appendix surgery is left disabled and severely brain damaged after 'catastrophic' medical blunder

Shocking images show woman, 23, suffering a STROKE - even though doctors insisted she was just 'stressed'

Mother's fury as 3-year-old son who was choking on a coin was 'turned away from hospital, forcing her to drive 16 miles in heavy traffic to another A&E'

Heartbreak as father, 45, dies of meningitis on Christmas Eve after doctors diagnosed an ear infection

Government run Universal Health Care at it's finest.

 

Because we all know how great the VA is.

 

They will have to raise taxes to implement single payer healthcare. Raise taxes in a place already heavily taxed. The state tax bill is going to start looking like the federal tax bill.

Just how much??? Well here's the average:

Yeah it's going to be more than $16,800 per person. and we're not talking about silver plans, no. We're talking about coverage for everything, for free.

 

It sounds like California wants to chase Silicon Valley out of the state.

 

Lots of scary headlines, but of course things aren't so bad once you get beyond the surface.

e.g. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/50...ttack-victims-forced-to-wait-up-to-four-hours (from your post)

The shock findings at Britain's largest NHS trust have prompted an internal investigation after 110 patients complained about ambulances turning up hours late or not at all.

Serious problems began when private ambulance company ERS Medical took over the non-emergency transport provision at Barts NHS Health Trust, in east London, on June 1.

Chaos in a control-room call centre led to delays and confusion as patients and NHS staff struggled to discover why ambulances were not arriving when booked.

The granddaughter of an 81-year-old who had recently suffered a heart attack said she was "livid" after her grandmother spent more than four hours in a hospital waiting room after a pre-booked ambulance failed to turn up to take her home.

ERS Medical admitted there was "significant pressure" on its resources, but company bosses are blaming the health trust for not giving them enough time to get proper systems in place.

However, it is not the first time ERS Medical has faced complaints from patients - with similar stories of delays coming from Mid-Essex where they took over providing non-emergency ambulances in May this year.

The treatment of my gradmother was appalling, but according to the nurse this was quite common

Seema Hussain

Initially, Barts Trust brushed off the failures as "teething problems", but after a Freedom of Information request, it was revealed a full blown investigation has been launched after an "internal incident" was declared by bosses.

In the Trust's response to the Freedom of Information Request, Pamela Wood from the Corporate Records department said: "Unfortunately problems relating to booking systems, ICT and telephony began to surface immediately resulting in delays in bookings and late patients collections and drop offs.

"An internal incident was declared to manage this incident and our investigations remain on-going."

She added that the 111 complaints received represent less than one per cent of the more than 30,000 patient journeys made per month.

But that figure is more than the number of complaints relating to patient transport received in 2012/13 and 2013/14 combined - just 68.

 

Yeah, screw all those guys...Why the hell should they be treated like human beings and given access to health care...That's the ticket..

 

The retards running California allow the state's infrastructure to disintegrate as they throw taxpayer money at special interests and we could expect them to get this right? The position the state is in with unfunded pension liabilities alone is enough to tell you how dismally it would fail.

I don't think the people here stating this is a good idea have any idea how inept California's politicians are.

 

The VA is not an example of a real single payer system for a number of reasons.

Perhaps the major difference is that those who pay for it don't use it.

 

How dare they include even illegals under health care as such people and their children should be allow to die on the streets.

It not god will to treat such people and we only care about their children before they are born.

 

I can't find the text in your quote tags in the link you posted. What's up with that?

What I see at that link is a figure of $18,142 per average family in our current for-profit system.

Single payer doesn't mean anything is free and it also does not mean that everything is covered.

For example, co-pays are probably necessary simply to keep people from visiting their favorite provider on a daily basis.

For example, a future plan for America could omit dental, standard eye care, or whatever else we choose to omit, with for-profit corporations offering coverage for those who want it - if that is of interest to corporations.

It could also cover services VA provides, meaning saving the cost of having multiple health care systems while also serving those who have similar issues that came from sources other than actually serving in our military.

 

But remember it IS CHEAP.

 

I don't know what's with the text at the link. I used BING for the average cost of healthcare and it included the quotation for that link on the search results. Maybe the website changed the page since Bing auto-generated that content...

Anyway yes I know the public option isn't free. I mean the services are free but the tax has to fund it and it will probably be at least as expensive as the current healthcare bill for a family. So instead of paying premiums they pay it with higher taxes.

But now the state will say that everything gets covered. So to pay for it with higher taxes than they would pay for a private plan. And then they include the illegal immigrant population with the healthcare, which I'm for, but they don't pay taxes so the tax bill will be even that much higher on the tax payers.

In order to put the tax cost into perspective it's like saying Platinum plans for everyone. Over $4000+ per year, per person. Remember they aren't going to be able to do things like negotiate drug prices, so it's going to be just as expensive as private insurance. perhaps more.

 

If you read the bill, which is only one-page, there's no substance.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB562

The VA system is effectively worker's compensation. The federal government should pick up the tab, instead of the States, since they're federal troops.

 

I think this is a positive development. We should be having healthcare policy at the state level rather than the federal level. Let California try this out if they want single payer, and we can see what the results are.

(I also think all drugs should be legalized.)

 

Indeed! Looks like there's just one line about single payer at the end:

(b) It is the intent of the Legislature to enact legislation that would establish a comprehensive universal single-payer health care coverage program and a health care cost control system for the benefit of all residents of the state.

At best, this would only get the ball rolling on drafting single payer legisation. Oh well, got to start somewhere.