Sweden and Fake News

When I asked, "why does Sweden have to let in Muslims", you said, "compassion". So, essentially, YOU are the one who is trying to speak for all Swedes and not just that, you are also saying that your personal value (that it's compassionate to take in Muslims) is universally accepted in Sweden. It's not.

 

No. You asked for an explanation. I gave you one ...one that happens to make sense.

Are you claiming the Swedes are not a compassionate people? On what basis are you making that claim?

 

yeah this is getting ridiculous...of course Sweden has some problems related to immigration.. but this seems to be a full-fledged anti-swedish propaganda campaign going on. as if we didn't have enough of this from the russians already. now we have to hear about lies about sweden from the USA every other day too? jesus..

 

Russians huh?

Here we go again...

Fake news...propaganda attacks...Russia

Sound familiar?

 

I am not trying to determine whether the Swedes are "compassionate" or not. I just want to point out that your personal value (that it's compassionate to let in Muslims) is not universally accepted in Sweden. Do you dispute this?

 

Sorry, you're going to have to do a better than a BBC article

 

I ran across this interesting graph:

 

So tell us a country where women consider rape is just a minor inconvenience to be put up with because their menfolk can't control their lust? I would imagine the definition of rape is something like 'The spontaneous sexual attack perpetrated by a male by using overwhelming strength against a female.' That doesn't sound much like 'apples and oranges' to me, it sounds like one or the other?

We read it in respected news sources and nobody needs to be a 'wannabe expert' to do that? If you don't mind my saying - you seem to be defending the rapists, and almost accusing the victims as either willing participants, or they asked for it? I wonder if you live in Sweden, and if you don't, why you are apparently so willing to believe the um, 'official statistics'??

 

Anything's better than a BBC article; the BBC has lost its way. Its dumbing down assignment from the government has been so successful it has dumbed down itself as well!!!!

 

In that case you ought to be able to provide an example of one? And I'll be interested to know how the act of rape can be categorised?? But restrict your answer to countries which are as civilized as Sweden, and not ones in the African continent.

 

Foreign rapists swarming, flooding, pouring into Sweden is fake news but Trump raping the crap out of his cult member's infantilised minds - a sort of spiritual and intellectual pedophilia - is reality.

 

Cerberus, please.
I didn't say that and it should be clear if you read carefully. It seems you have been surrounded by our yank friends here too long. Neither did I talk about minor inconveniences. Why put words into my mouth instead of close reading?

It shouldn't be too comlicated to accept the simple fact that rape is defined differently in different countries. If one decides to ignore this, fine. But why would a sane person do that? I didn't make the laws and I don't make stuff up. Simplifying things has never made any sense to me.
If you have Google, you can easily familiarize yourself with varying definitions of rape in different countries. That thought shouldn't be too complicated. The legal definition of 'rape' varies considerably from country to country. If you prefer to use your own definitions, fine. Does it make sense? Not to me.
Doing the "Trump stunt" for instance (grabbing her by the pu***), is sometimes categorized as rape in Germany and sometimes as sexual assault or harassment, depending on the situation. If I open a female's trousers to do that, it's definitely categorized as rape in Germany. I don't have a PhD in Swedish law, but AFAIK, it's always considered rape in Sweden.
I've already mentioned the domestic violence scenario and the different ways in which these cases are recorded by authorities. It should be clear that this way of recording makes the number of reported rape cases go up considerably. That "rape capital of the world" stuff is simply not correct, and you can easily find realiable, trustworthy articles about that.
I've also read that in Sweden, when a sexual encounter between male and female starts out with a condom, but the male after a while decides to go on without, the woman can report this to authorities as rape.
Are you familiar with what the British laws say?

I don't accuse victims in any way and I most certainly don't defend rapists in any way. I always try to use reason and stay away from ridiculously stupid hysteria that so many people seem to enjoy. I also don't say there aren't problems in Europe. There are reports that say up to 80% of all rape cases in Sweden and between 75-95% of all cases in the UK are not reported.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/act77/001/2010/en/

What I find completely laughable is the simple fact that so many folks/yanks on this forum (how many of them have ever been to Europe or Sweden?) seriously think they need to tell Swedish users on this forum, who seem to be able to express themselves very eloquently and don't seem to be out of touch with reality, what life in Sweden is like and that their home country is in complete chaos.

Another really stupid thing is to put people who disagree with the wide spread narrative that's so common here into a category and accuse them of being extreme left ('liberal' seems to be the only word our yank friend are familiar with), being multiculti day dreamers, being communists, and blah blah.
In another thread in which many wannabe experts claimed Germany is now called Germanistan, Sharia law is on the horizon, millions of Muslims still flocking into the country, Germans fighting for the survival of their nation ('have read it on facebook and seen it on youtube'), etc, I disagreed. Guess what? I was called a propagandist, because my info didn't fit the common narrative that so many sheep only willingly believe, therefore I must be wrong. It really seems too many people can only think in black-and-white categories.
Cognitive dissonance big time.


If you have access to jstor or project muse, you can find lots of articles and reports.

 

Unfortunately, that seems to be true.
Nicely worded, just learned some new words.

 

What, you mean it's all lies?

Signed: A N Ignoramus.

 

HELP PLEASE!
Has anyone seen the Fox News interview with "Swedish Defense and Security Advisor" Nils Bildt? I am asking because I have been abroad all the week and didn't see it. I am home again and the Swedish news is calling it a hoax, that this Nils Bildt character is a fake. According to the headlines, Bildt is a criminal and has nothing to do with either our Defense or our Security. Someone is lying here and from the headlines about this Bildt fellows criticism of Sweden's immigration policies I am am inclined to assume that it is our own media that is stuffing a skeleton in the closet. Can someone enlighten me on the interview and how it is being received in the States?

 

So from Fox news we have had a report of which two police officers complain they were misquoted backed up by the photographer, an interview with a Swedish Woman who writes for the Times of Israel where she complained Sweden was not multicultural enough. Now we have a Swedish Defence and Security Adviser who is not!

 

And this is what concerns me: that you have drawn that conclusion from the evidence that was presented. With respect, you probably don't have the background to identify these methods when they are being applied through a source that you trust. but there is nothing in the statistics that show a decrease in rapes since 2010. In fact, an increase in Sweden in 2010 and most probably an increase specifically in Malmo.
These statistics have been presented in a misleading manner, as I had demonstrated.

I am open to discussion on the specific point I raised.

My claim is that rapes in Sweden have increased consistently and astronomically since 2006, as demonstrated in the statistics that you presented on the BBC website.

Yes I do think it protects him from hyperbolic and frantic interpretation.

The main reason being that his clarification directly related to an external historic event (the Fox News article) and made more sense in the context of the rest of the paragraph than the hyperbolic alternative. Meanwhile it happened quickly, which given its perfection and the professionalism of his staff, would have not been impossible unless true.

A true liberal, such as myself, worries incessantly about their own credibility. I suggest you try harder to protect yours.

 

It appears he is a security professional who happens to be Swedish. The Fox News article seems to have introduced him in a manner that gave the appearance of being an official of the Swedish government. He patently is not, but the introduction is not technically incorrect either.

As a Swedish citizen that has experience of living in America, his opinions on the issue, if genuine, are valid and interesting.

The fact that he has an assault charge or conviction is hardly surprising given his field of work.

One cannot believe that the editors of Fox News did not predict this outcome, and it is in my view a deliberate feint.

 

You nailed it. I have no idea of Bildt is a criminal (although it wouldn't surprise me) but Swedish officials say that heis no part of their government, which is what he and Fox claimed

 

There was little Muslim immigration prior to 2010 and rapes have decreased from then...

ANd you're about as liberal as I am Martian

 

Until you find something more authoritative...no...I do not

 

What "TomFitz" wrote contained hyperbole and invective words only telling us his feelings without anything to back it up other than being angry. When will you people understand that it doesn't work?

Our interaction was designed to get you to think about the possibility that governments have to try and make their economy and tourism appear better than it might be.

Politicians are now facing the same decisions, to do what is right, or face being thrown out of office for lying to the public. In case you didn't know it, the democrat party has been facing those decisions since 2010 yet continues to make the wrong decisions while convincing people like "TomFitz" they will finally win back the power they've been losing since 2010. You figure out which side is being honest with you.

MORE U.S. citizens are figuring out daily that Trump is doing what he was elected to do, and is destroying the establishment, and some of the lying media.

Steve

 

Despite all the media propaganda outlets guaranteeing the Left that Hillary Clinton was going to win the 2016 presidential election I was taking note of how many leftist posters back then were starting to emotionally lose it in regards to posting style. They were becoming angry and 'in your face' combative whereas before 2016 they were almost universally smug about -- well -- pretty much about everything.

My guess? I think that on a subconscious level they were processing evidence that their conscious minds were outright rejecting because reality did not fit into their political narrative. Now -- as we can see of late -- a large number of them are pretty much unhinged as posters because while you can ignore or refute reality . . . you cannot alter it.

 

I don't care anymore. Keep the floodgates open. You deserve it.

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If you think you're right, keep importing refugees.

 

I don't have that data, but in 2006 specifically there was an upsurge in immigration to about the 100k pa mark coinciding with deterioration in the Iraq "civil war" and a change to asylum legislation which permitted appeals, and it stayed at roughly this level until it began climbing even further in 2013 with the Syrian conflict to 165k in 2015.

But only marginally at the specific 2015 outlier, that is not sufficient to demonstrate a decrease in rapes, particularly when molestation remains substantially higher.

If you wanted to check my liberal "credentials", I've been on and off this board since 2007 or something, so there is plenty of history.