The Basics, Abortion is a Homicide, Face that Fact

Murder is when You deliberately kill somebody, homicide is accidental

 

Then it should be able to be taken out of the woman to let it toddle around, use it's phone to text it's friends and apply for Social Security....

You think it can!

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.....No.

 

No, murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person/human being by a person/human being. Homicide is any killing of a human being by a human being.

 

You agree with logical fallacy ? That is sad.

 

LOL Sad that some folks can not figure out that just because some group of religious right zealots get power and make a law based on religious belief that the tenets of that law ... that those tenets magically become truth.

Just as a law claiming that Jews are subhuman - does not actually make a Jew any less human, a law claiming a zygote is a human does not make a zygote any more human.

Aside from the obvious "appeal to authority" fallacy

 

Some people have no common sense

 

No, they don't . They insist that a fetus is exactly the same as a toddler , a teenager, and a senior...isn't that SILLY.



Then some people show they have no common sense when they think screaming at people to stop having sex will stop them from having sex and abortions (NO common sense there at all).

...and even sillier people with even less common sense think making abortion illegal will stop abortion...you are correct , some people have no common sense...

 

Why do you insist on that silly notion?
NOBODY has said that anywhere here. But a toddler and a senior citizen are human beings, just as a child in utero is.

 

YES, when one insists that a fetus is a BABY, a person with rights then one is saying a fetus is the same as a toddler , or a teenager or a senior....they are DENYING there are stages in life each with a different name since they are DIFFERENT.

A fetus is human, it is NOT A human being as in "person"..


Then some people show they have no common sense when they think screaming at people to stop having sex will stop them from having sex and abortions (NO common sense there at all).

...and even sillier people with even less common sense think making abortion illegal will stop abortion...you are correct , some people have no common sense

 

If that is what you choose to believe, I feel sorry for you.
Fetus, infant, senior citizen, and teenager are all human beings/persons.

Blathering on as you do doesn't change anything.

As I have shown many times previously, the prosecution difficulty or lack thereof has nothing to do with whether or not a heinous activity should be legal or not.

Homicides purely for the convenience of the killer should be outlawed morally, and NO that is not me forcing my personal morality on everyone else, it is making our body of law consistent and is in keeping with our nation's current morality as expressed in our body of law.

 

Your blathering on about what a fetus is or is called doesn't matter one little bit....and you can't see that. ...Too bad....the world will go on as it always has....with abortions



...and even sillier people with even less common sense think making abortion illegal will stop abortion...you are correct , some people have no common sense

 

Speaking about "not changing anything" you have already admitted that you are not willing to take part in realistic solutions. All you are doing is trying to force your beliefs onto others. Its not like you would take part in raising millions of additional unwanted children you insist others give birth to. Its a good thing that pointing your righteous finger at others calling them murderers will never have any effect on whether or not people seek an abortion. If it was really about saving lives, you would be doing something about it. It is obvious this is a power issue with you.

 

No, legally,

1 U.S. Code § 8: “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant

(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.

But you knew this.

Your claim that " ... a child in utero at any stage of development is a human being. It is literally stated as such in the UVVA" is a flat-out false. The UVVA states no such thing, literal or otherwise.

But you knew that too.

 

Describing abortion as homicide isn't necessarily an "anti-abort'' position. It's merely an empirical fact, that even many pro-choicers acknowledge.

 

Depends on how you define "homicide"

Here's one definition: "The killing of one human being by another human being."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/homicide.

But then it depends on how you define "human being".

 

It could be under some circumstances. For example, if a couple intended to conceive a child, and then later one or both of then decides to kill it even though it's healthy and poses no serious health risk to the mother.

 

It's the same individual living being/organism before it's born as it is after it's born. Ergo it's a human being.

 

What's the difference?? The conservatives will fight to their dying breath to save the unborn fetus, yet once the fetus is born, it can die for all they care.

 

To be fair, Terri Schiavo was born.

 

Yes and never wanted to be kept alive in a vegetative state.

 

Yes, it is one of their inflammatory words....so if someone admits abortion is TECHNICALLY a homicide, some raging Anti-Choicer will scream, OH ! SO! AHA!YOU'RE FOR WANTON HOMICIDE !!

As if they scored some point....

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic....but Anti's do NOT have any facts to back up their position so need this crap....

 

Well, no, this:


[Magnified 400 times]

is not the same as this:



See the difference?

So I can say: "Ergo it is not a human being." Depends on how you want to define it.

 

Bottom line.

It doesn't matter what you call it.
Laws will not prevent it.

If you are really concerned about their precious little lives, do something about it.
So far every "pro-lifer" on this forum is only concerned with their image. Nothing more.

 

OK.....

This is a legal question. So legal terminology applies. And in legal determinations are are always seeds of logic or grand arguments of logic.

In the context of legislation, the use of terms are often a legal matter. The meaning of terms is detailed by law in such cases. And there are sources for reference regarding the legal definition of terms. For example, "person", "human", "human being", "child", and/or "individual"......

"Person" - In general usage, a human being; by statute, however, the term can include firms, labor organizations, partnerships, associations, corporations, legal representatives, trustees, trustees in Bankruptcy, or receivers.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/person

"Person" - An entity recognized by the law as separate and independent, with legal rights and existence including the ability to sue and be sued, to sign contracts, to receive gifts, to appear in court either by themselves or by lawyer and, generally, other powers incidental to the full expression of the entity in law.
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/Person.aspx

"Baby" according to medical terminology: "An infant; a newborn child."
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/baby

"Human Being" - There are various definitions for a human being. Biologically, they are classified as hominids of the species Homo sapiens, which are a primate species of mammal with a highly developed brain. Humans have the highest brain to body mass ratio of all large animals. They have a life expectancy approaching 80 years old in wealthy nations, walk on two feet and have opposable thumbs. Skin color ranges from almost back to pale pinkish-white. Height and weight varies, depending on locality, historical factors, environmental, and cultural factors such as diet.

Human beings are characterized by the ability to speak. They have a high capacity for abstract thinking and are commonly thought to possess a spirit or soul which transcends the physical body. The spiritual aspect of human beings is often defined in terms of rituals and religion.
https://definitions.uslegal.com/h/human-beings/

"Human Infant Born Alive Law and Legal Definition"
Human infant who has been born alive means “a product of human conception that has been completely or substantially expelled or extracted from its mother, regardless of the duration of pregnancy, which after such expulsion or extraction breathes or shows any other evidence of life such as beating of the heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached.”
https://definitions.uslegal.com/h/human-infant-born-alive/

And this one is very good...

“Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant -
(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
(b) As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section. (My emphasis)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8


IOW a fetus is not legally a "person", "child", or "human being"..... a fetus is a fetus. And so all the determination by right-to-life folks to call a fetus a "human" or "child" or "person" are emotional and psychological tricks intended to win agreement falsely rather than an effort to discuss the law to which they are so opposed.

 

Nowhere in that law is the word "homicide" found. So you just blew your whole argument.