Interior Secretary Reverses Obama’s Lead Ammo Ban

You have no empirical evidence to support this statement.

 

How many bullets do you think it would take to "pollute the environment".

You do realize that there are already a couple hundred years of lead bullets in "the environment".

Is Gettysburg PA a lead hazard? How much lead do you think was used on that one day on that battlefield?

It's ridiculous to suggest that a few lead bullets are going to destroy an ecosystem.

 

Yeah, but if they ban bullets then gun owners will be sad. And that's the ultimate goal.

 

...when inhaled or ingested, and only then.
In terms of spent bullets, there is no environmental impact.

Unsupportable nonsense.
Tin is only 65% as dense as lead; if you believe a 35% reduction in bullet density does not have a significant impact on bullet exterior and terminal performance, you have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about and are fully unaware of how embarrassed you should be when making such inane statements.

You cannot quantify this in any way.
Thus, your statement is, again, unsupportable nonsense.

 

In fishing tackle it's sometimes tin (or sometimes zinc), but more commonly steel or tungsten . Tin is almost never used for bullets. The main replacement in bullets is solid brass or copper. Tin would be a horrible replacement, as it's not nearly as dense as lead, and not nearly as malleable. The main replacement in shot shells (shotgun ammo) is steel, less commonly bismuth or tungsten. You really need to research more before you post things.

 

I have no idea why we are talking of the use of lead in ammo and fishing tackle.
Is there some proven damage to the fish? That would entail a rather long study of lead tackle vs the health of the fish. Then you have such minute amounts, that any fish is not likely to contaminate we who catch fish.

I agree people commit crimes and accept your logical statement on firearms.

At one time, Democrats did rule that being black was a crime. Took a long time to wean them off that idea. Also they locked up a lot of the mental ill and that gave the appearance the ill were criminals. I recall when then Gov. Brown of CA agreed to unlock the mental ill in time for Reagan to become governor. Naturally when Reagan freed the mentally ill, he was blamed though he had not even agreed to the law. He simply carried it out.

 

A certain small section of Lake Erie's north shore has millions upon millions of spent bullets on its bottom.
http://geographic.org/nautical_charts/24_lake_erie/14842_44_west_end_of_lake_erie_38.html
Zero environmental impact.

 

Where is the evidence that conclusively proves this to be a genuine fact, rather than mere speculation?

 

Lead occurs in nature in many places. A very natural element.

 

You are aware that lead is a naturally occurring element in nature, correct? It is not a man-made compound such as polymers of styrofoam. How much more risk of environmental contamination is posed when the lead is in bullet form, as opposed to its natural ore form? How much spent lead ammunition must accumulate to post a significant risk of environmental contamination?

Beyond such, there is lead is gasoline, meaning it is exhausted by motor vehicles. Surely that is a greater risk of environmental contamination, than a few grains of lead being buried underground in a hardened state.

Non-lead ammunition is not widely offered by major manufacturers, meaning it is not cost effective for recreational use.

 

I think the ammo industry can begin using lead-free options that cost about the same.

I'd use them more, the the cheapest rounds I typically use have lead in them. I think it would be public relations plus if ammo manufacturers on their own began to phase lead out.

 

I use lead free (copper) for hunting, and those bullets are about twice the price of a copper-coated lead bullet.

 

I guess that makes school classrooms ground zero for "highly toxic" lead in all those #2 pencils.

I wonder how many of those go into trashcans every year.

 

Graphite is used in #2 pencils, not lead, also, handy tip #506, to improve your locks, take your key and use a #2 pencil to coat the key, it helps lubricate the lock as Graphite is a locks Ideal lubricant.

 

Oh no! All that graphite dust could explode!

Danger!

It could also be a source of global warming!

 

I'm sure there's already a study, possibly funded by Bloomberg, trying to show that lead in ammunition is linked to climate change.

 

But have nowhere near the same performance.
Lead bullets have been in use for 600 years with no demonstrable environmental impact.

 

Let the ammo industry do it for public relations. The shooting industry needs more positive PR and outreach.

 

If the ammo industry wants to offer alternate ammo and the market supports it, that's fine -- but there's no sound reason to stop making standard ammo at current (or increased) levels.

 

Yes, we need a major ammo shortage. Will the military move to lead free?

 

If we get the wrong people in office - yes.

 

There really is no correlation between %of people owning firearms and homicide rate. The trick is pointing to "gun homicides" - sure, if we had NO firearms then there wouldn't be any gun homicide. Just like if no one had baseball bats no one would be killed with baseball bats, if no one had kitchen knives no one would be killed with kitchen knives, if no one had cars no one would be killed with cars.... and so on.

 

Our military should keep lead. Want the enemy and their land to suffer.

 

I actually would be fine banning lead ammunition in such areas owned by the federal government. I only use lead ammo for practice - you shouldn't use it for hunting.

My issue is more formal. Agencies have way too much power to issue rules. They've been delegated that authority from Congress, and that isn't appropriate imo. Pass this as a law through Congress and I'll support it.

 

Most people around here use a lead based bullet for big game, as they've seen less than acceptable results with Barnes bullets and the like. I've had no problems with Barnes myself, but mileage does vary.