The NIST 9/11 Scam Exposed in All Its Glory

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    The exact words of George Bush at the UN: "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
     
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    "Each individual is unique and has a personal agenda." Well put, I agree completely.
    Thank you!
     
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    no reasonable doubt that the report is a fraud? ... please expound ...
     
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    Hey Bob, I'm new here. I'm interested in the topic, and obviously, a number of others are as well. I think it would help a great deal to post some examples of what exactly you believe you've found, in terms of lies or coverups.

    So far, it looks like when pressed for detail, you just point people at the report and tell them to see it. Perhaps a bullet-point summary, or some specific examples?
     
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    Read the facts/evidence posted in this thread. How much more do you need? If the Commission members claim it's based on lies, two whole chapters of it disclaimed as totally unreliable and the entirety far from complete but yet it's published as the official 9/11 narrative what doubt could one possibly have that it's fraudulent?

    Fraud
    A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.

    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Fraud

    My apologies in that you hate dictionaries but many of us rely on them for English language and other (e.g. legal) standards.
     
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    Welcome to the forum and to this thread.

    Read through the thread, much of what you're looking for is posted. Here's one obvious coverup factoid that may not have been posted in this particular thread (it has been posted in other threads):

    There is approximately 570 cubic feet of textual records. A large percentage of the Commission's records are national security classified files.

    https://www.archives.gov/research/9-11


    That's not true, however it's impossible to discuss a report without referencing it, its authors and its details.

    Again, read through the thread, it's loaded with summaries and specific examples. See also my prior post for a quick overall summary.
     
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    Have you looked into the 28 pages that were declassified last year?
     
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    I agree with Cat, that there seems to be something here, but it would be nice to see the people who are more into it than the rest of us summarize the points that impugn the official whatever.
     
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    There is an enormous amount of fact/evidence here in this thread.

    If you're really interested, read through the thread. If you want a simple summary, this should do:

    The 9/11 Commission investigation reluctantly agreed to by the Bush Administration in 2001-2 has been challenged by many independent investigators, and severely criticized by its chairmen, its staff, and the family members who lobbied for it.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/9-11-the-legal-initiative.500060/
     
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    Good luck
     
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    It is absolutely necessary for you to cite a specific passage or quote where they lied.

    You are making a baseless and unsupported claim. They have never admitted or claimed to have been lying as you claim.

    Your baseless claim requires evidence otherwise it proves you are the one lying
     
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    The commission members have never said it is based on lies.

    You must provide an example of such a lie or it makes you the liar
     
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    Posts 14, 17 and 28. The 9/11 Commission Report itself (via disclaimer) strongly infers 2 whole chapters (5 & 7) are unreliable (see post #17) and definitely unsupported but published anyway as part of the official account and also used as supporting footnotes.
     
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    Inferences are meaningless and subjective.

    Cite cite and quote a specific passage which you claim ids a lie and show evidence that it is a lie
     
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    Here it is Dr. No, just for you:

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    For everyone else, they can read the obvious I posted and especially think for themselves, it's definitely not rocket science.
     
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    You posted no evidence of any kind to support your claims and none of your claims have any basis in fact unless you can answer and provide a specific passage and prove it is a lie
     
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    The following is an interesting perspective from a Marine combat veteran:

    The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies
    Gordon Duff Salem-News.com

    How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?

    (CINCINNATI, Ohio) - In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

    The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

    Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

    Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

    Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

    The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

    9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."


    With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

    In 2006, The Washington Post reported..."Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..."

    What does Farmer's book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.

    Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer's omissions? There are some. Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn't just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.

    We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.

    Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.

    What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.

    Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?

    Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.

    Can anyone call themselves an American if they don't demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?

    How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?

    http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php
     
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    Well, based on the only actual claim there - that Saudis were flown out immediately after - that does suggest a coverup of something.

    Most likely an arms deal or some other below-board **** that would have been exposed.

    Needs more actual claims.
     
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    It's more than obvious the Bush administration were protecting the Saudis. They illegally classified the 28 pages and likely directed Zelikow to hide the documents from the 9/11 Commission as well. The FBI also withheld over 80,000 pages of documents relating to the Saudi 9/11 connection from Congress and the 9/11 Commission probably under direction of the Bush administration.
     
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    Yes, but again, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a conspiracy behind the terrorist attack. A lot of cockroaches start scurrying when something big happens.

    I'm on your side, but "there were lies" doesn't really mean anything. It's the government. They lie about toothbrush sales.
     
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    There was a hell of a lot to 9/11 than just the Bush administration defending the Saudis. You have to take the entirety of the event and the US government's actions and inactions prior to, during and following 9/11 into consideration. Having said that, the Bush administration's defense/coverup of the Saudis was a conspiracy in itself by definition.

    This is about 9/11, the worst attack on the US since Pearl Harbor (a "new" Pearl Harbor they called it), not toothbrush sales, it is NOT excusable. That "there were lies" in this case is highly significant, not something you sweep under the rug because the US government advanced a narrative that makes no sense. When over 3,000 innocent people are massacred in spectacular fashion and there was never a legitimate investigation and there was deliberate destruction of evidence and a massive coverup, you can't just chalk that up to simplistic typical government lies and incompetence.
     
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    The responsible thing to do is exactly that, until you have evidence to the contrary.

    I'm aware that there was some funny **** going on around the attack, but I can't prove a single bit of conspiracy. It smells like it, but there's not much to go on.
     
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    It's not up to you or I to prove anything, it's your prerogative to investigate for yourself if you're interested.

    I can't speak for you but for me the evidence is overwhelming, a tremendous amount of information has been posted in this section of the forum. It's all there for you to examine if you want to. There is only one reason for a coverup, to protect the criminals. A coverup that includes deliberate destruction of evidence, especially when we're talking about 9/11, is criminal complicity and the fact that it was done by more than one person equals a criminal conspiracy. That is all within the scope of the definition of the US government's own laws. It's still not legal because the US government (i.e. the Bush administration and their minions) did it.
     

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