OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually tecoyah says....I don't know and neither do you.
     
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    Google "Fact Definition". Look at the results. I checked a half dozen. None use the term "Irrefutable proof". None used the term "proof" or "proven".

    Event, item of information, or state of affairs existing, observed, or known to have happened, and which is confirmed or validated to such an extent that it is considered 'reality.'

    Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/fact.html
    I consider it a fact that I existed last year. However, you, I, everything could have come into existence LastThursday.

    You, nor anyone else, can provide irrefutable proof that everything did not come into existence LastThursday.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The notion that it is "an assumption based on an overwhelming preponderance of evidence"...is a joke. There is NO evidence whatsoever that there are no gods. NONE. NIL. NUNCA.

    That notion is a fiction people created by people looking to be comforted with the blind guess that there are no gods.

    It is a blind guess about the REALITY. I understand that bothers you...but it is so.

    If you want to discuss the Easter Bunny...do it with a toddler or a fellow atheist. Both of those groups are fascinated by the Easter Bunny.
     
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    ecco said:
    To the inexplicable, The Ancients said: GodDidIt.
    To the inexplicable, tecoyah says: MaybeThere'sAGodWhoDidIt.

    Further exploration in the past has always resulted in: GodDidn'tDoIt.

    Yes, I do know it. I know it with the same certainty that I know:
    • PsychicSnowflakes are the creations of man's imaginings.
    • Bunny Rabbits are the creations of man's imaginings.
    • Fairies are the creations of man's imaginings.
    • Thor, Atlas and Athena are the creations of man's imaginings.
    • Shango and Orishas are the creations of man's imaginings.
    • Mickey and Minnie Mouse are the creations of man's imaginings.
    • Asdzą́ą́ Nádleehé and Niltsi are the creations of man's imaginings.
    • etc. and so forth are the creations of man's imaginings.
    You would know it too if you thought about it in the context of the above.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You most assuredly ARE deflecting.

    I am not making any assumptions about what gods are like...if gods exist. Not sure why you are...but that is YOU.


    If this thing we humans call "the universe" is a creation...whatever created it is a god.

    My comment is that it is possible that gods exist...and it is possible that no gods exist.

    I stand by that.

    You seem to want to take exception to that comment...but then you deflect, I suspect because you realize you are merely blindly guessing that what I am saying is not correct.
     
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    Have A Nice Day:neutral:
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    No, "agnostic" is simply more honest.

    We have no way of determining whether there is a god.

    There isn't any evidence based justification to be either theist or atheist - they are the same in that sense.
     
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    Just not in any way you can demonstrate.
     
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    Of course not! I wouldn't ask reasoning from you right from the beginning. I was just asking for data. Once you have real-life data, then you can start reasoning about that data.

    But you must learn to crawl before you can walk.

    I don't believe anything supernatural exists. Not God, not ESP, not supergirl (though one can hope... )

    I repeat here what I said before: if you are here only for fake intellectual self-gratification, then there's not much anybody can do for you. But if you're here to make some sort of point, then go get the data as I suggested, and don't be so fearful of being proven wrong.
     
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    Not even close but - thanks for trying :)
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have never seen my dog Mosby contemplate the stars. I have never seen him discuss with other neighborhood dogs the manner in which he should live. I never said " man's ability to believe in god"....those were your words.
    By faith I believe God has placed within mankind a sense of Justice, a contemplation of the future, a concern for the world and the end of this physical life. He also gives us the "freedom" to choose who we will serve. That is different from the animals.
     
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    or anyway you have demonstrated.
     
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    I'm glad to see you are going to take some time off to consider what I wrote. See ya on the other side.
     
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    See post #529. It addresses all three of your points.
     
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    Would you really want to try to have relations with a woman who has a Rock Hard body? Where all parts of her were Rock Hard?
     
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    Uh huh. Then, if I'm so wrong, clearly and concisely in one paragraph state your position.
     
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    Well if it is not a version created by humans how does it fit the human definition of god.
     
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    The hilarious thing is that while the Bunny is a perfect analogy to a god you are unable to do anything but duck the issue. And by the way I did try to discuss it with a toddler, but you seem unable to grasp the similarities and equally unwilling to divulge any differences which perhaps means that you can't actually find any.
     
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    I don't think I have that many "points"!

    And, I'm not impressed by #529. Such analogies don't really answer anything.
     
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    Ok ok. I'll settle for Melissa Benoist

    She has to be supernatural. Therefore (alas!) Melissa doesn't exist.
     
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    right after Christians prove all the other God's do not exists

    Theists disbelieve in one less God then Atheists

    how about proving the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, if you can't, you must think it's true?
     
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    It does not need to fit a definition to be a possibility
     
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    Then start crawling, because you need that start.



    Neither do I. If anything actually EXISTS...it IS. That means it is not "super"natural.



    Cute...but besides the point. I am not interested in your blind guesses about what exists or does not exist.

    If you want to kid yourself that you are here to do things for others...knock yourself out. If you are here to discuss various issues...start discussing them. You can do that an learn to crawl at the same time.


    I am never fearful about being wrong...and I can show me acknowledging being wrong. Can you?

    That is what I do when I am shown to be wrong...acknowledge it.

    But here are some data for you, since you are pretending to want it:

    It is possible gods exist. It also is possible there are no gods.

    I do not know...and I doubt you do either.

    It is not possible to determine whether it is more likely that at least one god exists than that none exist...or the other way around.

    I acknowledge those things. I doubt you are able to do so.

    Deal with data, Golem.
     
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    There is no analogy so far.

    If you cannot get satisfaction from a toddler...you are out of luck. Most atheists are not able to best them in discussions on the topic.
     
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    The analogy is perfect. Neither the Bunny or god has any objective supporting evidence. Both are creations of the human immagination. And believers in both are the intellectually underdeveloped. The only real difference is that as children develop mentally they give up the Bunny myth while the god myth has organizations to keep perpetrating the myth and of course social descrimination to make it beneficial to pretend to accept the mythology.
     
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