Denis Voronenkov: former Russian MP who fled to Ukraine shot dead in Kiev

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    You can include strelkov/Girkin, in torturing ukranian POWs ...obviously they never heard of Geneva convention it seems.
     
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    yes indeed, to those who dont respect the international laws
     
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    I noticed this article in the news the other day and thought of you immediately Litwin :gin:

    I find the choice of using an assassin rather interesting, perhaps the Russians decided another poisoning is just too obvious... which it would have been.

    Have they confirmed ties between the assassin and Ukrainian criminal gangs, even if they do it would have been a simple matter of exchanging money.
     
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    Catherine the Great was indeed German by origin, but baptized in orthodox church. She spoke Russian better than many Russians by origin. She was very well educated and it is she, who promoted the creation of Russian Academy of Sciences. A person who condiders the people fools will not push educaton of people in the country. You clearly do not know the history of Russia. How can you talk about this?
     
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    I do not see here a person with the hole in the head from the bullet.
     
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    If you read my posts on various topics you would know that I post about political topics. Try reading and stop whining.
     
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    Maybe you need to educate yourself about ratiactive isotopes and radioactive materials.
     
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    No one is attacking you personably or members of your family.

    Now as far as Hiroshima and Nagasaki tha was a strategic military decision that was made in order to demonstrate to the Japanese that continuing the war would result in many multitudes of Japaneses dead.
    The way I undestand it there were not enough hard core military targets left in Japan to demonstrate. Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing saved the lives of Americans, her allies , and the Japanese.

    If the war continued and we had to invade the mainland islands that would have caused at least a million US and Allied casualties. We probably would have had to make a deal with the Soviets and I am sure that the Soviets would have ended up with a part of Japan. That would have been a terrorizing experience for the past war Japanese to be Communsts.

    We did the right thing with Hiroshima and Nagasaki!
     
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    Certainly, torturing POWs is not an act of terrorism. All over the world it's called a war crime.
    And of course Ukraine here is not an innocent victim, its militaries and para-militaries many times were noticed at committing war crimes against both the armed rebels and unarmed civilians. Murders, robberies, kidnapping, extortions, rapes - just some of the Ukraine's crimes. Shellings of Donetsk and its suburbs which kill civilians every day are not included.

    So, the question remains: what acts of terrorism did the people's republics commit?
     
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    RT is not a news source it is a wholly owned arm of the Kremlin and Putin therefore it is not to be believed.
     
  14. MrFirst

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    Well, if you have an information which disproves RT's information - share it. If you don't have - just shut up.
     
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    RT does not provide "information" it pushes out propaganda.
     
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    FSB uses many methods, you know KGB old school. do yo know how much costs stuff which they gave to letvineko?
     
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    Ok, let's take the text of this link.
    Show us where is whether propaganda or a lie in this text.
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    A police commander in Ukraine, who has previous convictions for violent crimes, was arrested for kidnappings, torture and rape.

    Fighters of his 170-strong unit mutinied and claim that their chief was the victim of corrupt officials profiting from contraband.

    The flash conflict between the so-called Tornado battalion and Gennady Moskal, the head of the Kiev-controlled part of the rebellious Lugansk Region in eastern Ukraine, erupted Wednesday. Tornado detained a freight train going from the rebel-controlled areas to a factory located in Kiev’s area of influence.

    The unit’s leaders claimed that the train was carrying contraband. Moskal said the cargo was a legitimate coal delivery and accused Tornado of an illegal seizure.

    “They did it for publicity’s sake to cover up numerous crimes that the unit had committed in Lugansk Region,” Moskal said on his website.

    Apparently the official’s opinion weighed more as Tornado commander, Ruslan Onishchenko, and seven of his men were arrested on the same day.

    Onishchenko is now suspected of creating a gang that committed numerous crimes between January and March 2015, Ukrainian Chief Military Prosecutor Anatoly Matios told journalists. He and his subordinates are accused of killings and other violent crimes.

    “This gang enrooted in a police company found a place in the basement of a school… to keep local residents they abducted, prepared it to commit acts of violence, beatings and torture, to people they illegally detained,” the prosecutor said.

    Among the alleged crimes of the gang is at least one gang rape of a man, which was caught on camera, he added.

    Interior Minister Arsen Avakov ordered that the unit were disbanded at Moskal’s request. He said the entire unit would be screened for suspected criminals.

    Disarming Onishchenko’s fighters may prove more difficult than ordering the unit disbanded. The unit is barricaded off at their base and is threatening to open fire if the base is stormed. Tornado has not only firearms but also heavy weapons and armored vehicles at their disposal.

    One of the disgraced commander’s officers, Nikolay Tsukur, accused the Ukrainian authorities of an illegal crackdown.

    “I have no doubt that the charges were fabricated since they appeared after our first reports on the scale of contraband. We declare that we are not a gang; we are people who had been on the front line from day one even though being policemen we should have been in the second or third line of defense, according to the law,” he wrote on his Facebook page.

    “If they considered us criminals from the start, why have they entrusted us with weapons?” he added.

    Later, one of the Tornado fighters told Channel 5 that the battalion will obey Avakov’s orders.

    “We have been informed of Avakov’s order on our unit’s disbandment…. We won’t deviate from the order but we want society to be involved in the investigation of what we are accused of,” he added.

    Tornado’s downfall is hardly unexpected. The unit is one of two formed from fighters from its predecessor, Shakhtyorsk. The latter was disbanded in October 2014 over multiple cases of looting, with Shakhtyork deputy commander Onishchenko moving on to take charge of the reincarnated battalion. On Tuesday, the unit celebrated its first anniversary.

    The man himself is a controversial figure. He has no less than five convictions for crimes including robbery, kidnaping and extortion. Some of Tornado fighters are reportedly career criminals as well.

    The criminal past however was dismissed as mistakes “from the turbulent 1990s,” to quote Avakov’s aide Anton Gerashchenko. In August last year, the official praised Onishchenko as a brave fighter against “Russian occupation” with a $100,000 bounty on his head from the rebels.
     
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    Poor idiot invited his murderers to kill him - for the sake of Ukrainian propaganda.
     
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    No I have no idea but I do understand that Polonium is very rare and only one maybe two countries actually produce it.
     
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    That is a statement of complete lunacy and unfounded allegations.
     
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    "Poor idiot invited his murderers to kill him - for the sake of Ukrainian propaganda" LOL, first you said traitor must die , then you killed him, and say Ukrainians did it ))) so funny, simple guys
     
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    We would need to have your allegations verified.
     
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    "The polonium used to kill Mr Litvinenko would have cost “tens of millions of dollars”" actually around- 35 000 000 $ , they really wonted to kill him
     
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    Sorry, which your allegations are better founded?
     

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