AR15 carbine for home defense

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What cartridge would/did you choose for a home-defense AR carbine

  1. 5.56x45 or derivative (specify)

    40.0%
  2. 7.62x51 or derivative (specify)

    2.5%
  3. 7.62x39 or derivative (specify)

    5.0%
  4. 9x19mm

    10.0%
  5. .40 S&W

    7.5%
  6. 10mm

    2.5%
  7. 45ACP

    12.5%
  8. Other (specify)

    20.0%
  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An "AR" is the type of action of a rifle. Armalite Rifle while some say ARmalite is what "AR" stands for.



    Not aware of any weapon using an AR action chambered for the .40 cal, 10 mm or the .45 ACP.

    The Armaltie action uses a gas tube that operates the cycle of the action. Drawback...it blows some of the gases crap into the lower action.

    While rifles like the M-1 Garand, M-14, Rugers Mini-14, etc. are gas operated and have a gas piston to operate the action.

    Some rifles and machine guns are recoil or blowback operated.

    Most pistols are recoil operated or blowback operated with all of the gas exiting through the pistol bore.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Why would you not choose an AR in 10mm?
     
  4. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And that what it comes down to.

    There is no right or wrong weapon for home defense. What ever you feel comfortable with and have mastered is the right weapon.

    Also are we talking about a bad guy already inside the house or outside of the house ? Urban or rural ? If rural and the bad guy is 500 yards away, why not reach out and touch him with a Winch .308 (7.62mm) :rock_slayer:
     
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    You failed to notice I didn't mentioned the 9mm already knowing there are AR's chambered for the 9mm.

    If there are any AR's chambered for the .40 cal., 10mm or .45 ACP, I'm just unaware about it but it seems every week there's a new AR hitting the gun stores.

    Even Springfield Armory (Inc.) has entered the AR business just recently. -> http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/saint/
     
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    Yeah -- lots of them out there. A good AR costs less than a good handgun.
     
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    I hadn't thought about 10mm in an AR for home defense, but for the reasons I stated, I would still stick with the 12-gauge pump shotgun and either a .38-Special revolver or (even better) a .357 Magnum revolver.

    Here is an interesting article I found about 10mm and the topic of home defense: http://homedefensegun.net/10mm-too-much/
     
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    It would be interesting to know how many rounds the defender actually fired. He was probably a pretty good shot, and his situation versus that of his three assailants must have been favorable, for lighting, etc. Truthfully, I would have relied on a shotgun in this situation, primarily because I'm not a particularly good shot. With a good, shorter-barrel pump shotgun, you don't have to be.... I'm never at my focused best when I've just been startled out of sleep by some loud noise in my house. Nevertheless, I'm glad he drilled all three of the bastards -- good for him!
     
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    There have been uppers for the above.
    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...3-upper-receiver-assembly-10mm-auto-16-barrel
    https://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=428
    http://www.olyarms.com/shop/upper-receivers/k45-ur.html
     
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    Well perdidochas, I'm old schooled and those who know me like Turtledude and US Conservative know I'm not a big fan of AR's especially the M-16. Probably from my personal experiences and observations in the Nam.

    I prefer cold hard forged milled steel over stamped steel and prefer hard wood walnut over plastic and prefer a gas operated piston over a little gas tube.

    If I were ever to purchase an AR my choice would be the Armalite AR-10 because I'm a long range marksman. Actually I qualified as a rifle expert with the M-14, M-1 Garand and the M-16 A1 on the 500 meter KD range.

    My favorite rifles I own is the M-1 Garand, the Winchester pre-64 (Mauser action) Mod. 70 with open iron sights and a 3X9 scope chambered for the Winch. 270, and a couple years ago Santa was really good to me and under the Christmas tree I found a Sako 85 Bavarian (Mauser action) chambered for the Winch. 308 but it was customized, open iron sights and a rifle scope and a muzzele break.

    My brother in law has a Springfield M-1 A1 just so I can have flashbacks.

    We ran across a 1,000 yard rifle range someone built out in the Mojave Desert. Don't even need a spotting scope, the 1,000 yard target is a 16" X 24" armor plate. You hit it...you hear it.

    Home and personal defense, my Springfield Armory .45 ACP M-1911 A1 and the Winchester Mod. 1300. (18" cylinder barrel) The worlds fastest pump action shotgun in the world. You can get off 5 rounds in less than one second. 00 buck, that's 45 .33 cal. lead balls going down range in one second. The Winchester 1300 Defenders are illegal in most European countries.

     
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    I'm a Brit so what the hell do I know about guns, but I hear the standard round in many armies nowadays is 5.56mm, which is only .22", which seems a bit on the small side to me, and it's also popular with civilian shooters.
    Does it have as much stopping power as a larger calibre round like say a 7.62mm?

     
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    Actually in close quarters a shotgun still has a pattern about the size of a slug so you will still need to aim to hit.
     
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    I prefer a 12 gauge shotgun as it has the spread and power to drop anyone at close range.
     
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    Well, sure... but aiming a shotgun is not so critical a thing in a darkened room with an intruder(s) as trying to aim a semi-automatic AR-15, for example. Automatic? OK... empty your 30-round clip in an arcing spray, pop in another clip, and continue as needed. But be prepared to tell the police why you have an automatic rifle. Anyway, I'd still rather have an M-14 - .308. Devastating knockdown power!

    If you're in the bush with other fellow infantrymen, fully awake and very "frosty" to a possible attack from an unknown pos, your responses and competency is surely going to be better than coming up fast out of a groggy, deep sleep in the dark. So, overall, I'd still use a 12-gauge pump shotgun.
     
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    The AR-15 rifle does not function in the matter that you refer to. It does not even function closely to how you refer to it. Nor does any round of ammunition on the market have the ability to physically knock someone down if they are shot with it.
     
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    It has been proven in various tests that the common rifle caliber for the AR-15 carbine has less penetration through layers of drywall than pistol and shotgun rounds.
     
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    Your lack of a legitimate response to the thread has been noted.
     
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    It has been proven that rifle rounds fair poorly against layers of drywall, due to their extreme speeds of travel.
     
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    Have we not already addressed in previous threads how such is not a viable option?
     
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    On the contrary, mine was probably the most legitimate, and sensible, response of all.
     
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    Then you honestly believed that discussion of the use of atomic weapons for the purpose of home defense was a legitimate response to a serious question, relating to a serious topic of discussion?
     
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    Actually not true for a shotgun. You can and will miss at CQB aka home defense ranges. Spread of 00 buckshot is 10 to 12 inches at 10 yards for open choke shotguns. You're really shooting a carbine inside of most rooms. That is with significant recoil and flash. Some of the detuned police buckshot makes this a lot better. Personally I like IC choke which keeps the spread even smaller. I load Tri-Ball first round which will give a vest up to the Class 3 a real run for it's money and the rest with 9 pellet buffered plated HV 00 buck. Brenneke slugs are on the gun. Unless you're accustomed to a pump, you'll be very slow. A semi will be faster but you run the risk of a malfunction unless you're willing to pay the bucks for a good one. Ideal scattergun is over under or side by side 12 or even a 20 with holo sights. Doubles are very fast and with a 20 with ejectors you can hold two in your hand and reload almost as fast as you can fire 4 with a pump gun.
     
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    You still have to aim a shotgun if you want to hit something.
     
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    If you live where you need to actually do that you probably need to have a gun. More sucessful prople live in a secure world where that is unnecessary for security. I do have guns and my own range but more just for fun than security.
     

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