Abortion is as unjust as slavery. An American historical perspective.

You cannot enslave something that has no idea it even exists.

My dogs have more thought ability than a Zygote...are they slaves?

The cow that gave me steak had more cognation than a Zygote...was it murdered?

 

What I'm saying is that forcing women to give birth is EXACTLY what slave owners did....and THAT is the only way abortion relates to slavery....

 

Nobody is saying zefs aren't human.

Slaves were considered 3/5 of a person SOLELY for the purposes of the census and political representation. This has zip, zilch, zero to do with the abortion issue.

 

Again, one human American slave (representing many) who had his (their collective) membership in humanity and freedom denied by a SCOTUS ruling as compared to the millions and millions whose humanity and freedom were denied known as simply the aborted unborn by a SCOTUS ruling.



Everyone who is here has traveled the same path as the aborted unborn, simply stated there are stages of human development. When that development continues uninterrupted, a human being continues along his/her timeline. When human development is ended by abortion, we are denying their human identity and membership. A pregnant woman does not carry a cow, amoeba, a bird, a fish...mother carries a human being.



We are all connected, no more or less than mother and child. When we treat the defenseless among us as less than human, we diminish our own humanity, reaping a corrupt, soiled, callous and darkly burdened future.

Please consider this gentleman's well-known thoughts regarding humanity, relationships and interdependency inherent in our social and spiritual nature.



“All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when

one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book,

but translated into a better language; and every chapter

must be so translated... As therefore the bell that rings

to a sermon, calls not upon the preacher only, but upon

the congregation to come: so this bell calls us all: but

how much more me, who am brought so near the door

by this sickness…No man is an island, entire of itself...

any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved

in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom

the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.”

 

I am not quite sure how abortion compares to slavery. Slavery is the application of property as a construction to humans, so people can "own" other humans. Abortion is the deliberate ending of the pregnancy of a woman by removing a fetus or embryo. It is completely different then slavery, not even a related issue.

 

Emoting has nothing whatsoever to do with the individual rights of women.

Your fallacious conflation of slavery has failed miserably and your resorting to an emotional appeal exposes the utter vacuity of your position.

 

It must be a really tempting thing to try and equate abortion with slavery. It's especially funny when you see folks who defend the confederacy suddenly decide slavery is bad if they can use it(despite being an invalid argument) to paint abortion in a negative light. Not that I'm saying this is true about the OP specifically, but it's been true at times on this forum and others.

There are several reasons why these two things are not related, but one of them is simple. Slaves didn't form and grow inside slave owners. Assuming for the sake of argument that they had, their servitude did not end upon birth. Slaves were property, at all times, until freed or dead.

Only in the most general sense can slavery and abortion be compared, in terms of the "value" of human life. But this choosing of value occurs daily in many different areas of life. For example, deciding that people don't deserve medical insurance and medical treatment when they can't pay is very much deciding upon the "value" of human life. Will pro-lifers start making the argument that denying medical care is akin to slavery too? I very much doubt it.

 

Of course you had no answer to all the facts showing how wrong you are to compare abortion to slavery.


What I'm saying is that forcing women to give birth is EXACTLY what slave owners did....and THAT is the only way abortion relates to slavery....



Now since you care so much about ALL lives ( DON'T YOU??????), here's a question? What have you done to stop wars?

What have you done to stop sex trafficking and prostitution? Many WOMEN lose their lives in sex trafficking and war...actual women , actual people, actual SUFFERING people...and YOU don't seem to care about that...why is that? Why do you care so much for a blob of tissue that dies before it can even think or feel....but NOT for actual people??

 

Forcing women to give birth ( what Anti-Choicers strive for) is EXACTLY what slave owners did....and THAT is the only way abortion relates to slavery....this always backfires on Anti-Choicers since they want to make slaves of women.

 

For most of US history abortion was not illegal... You might want to check the history of abortion in America.

 

Which is forcing someone to do something and not any issue with abortion itself. Of course, if you are referring to pro-life and pro-choice issues, I would refer to that as a legislation issue, not an abortion issue.

 

How are Pro-Choice and Pro-Life not abortion issues?

 

Who is forcing you to give birth?

 

No one is forcing me to give birth...who said I was pregnant?

 

"You" as in women. Now, who is forcing you to give birth?

 

Because they have nothing to do with deliberate ending of pregnancy by removing the fetus or embryo, it has to do with the legislation regarding it. Slavery is dependent on legislation, since by definition slavery is property law applied to humans.

 

No one can now. But Anti-Choicers and Republicans are doing everything possible to make it more difficult with the focus towards outlawing it completely.

 

Uh, what do YOU think Pro-Choice and Pro-Life mean or refer to????? Pro-Choice means picking your own vacation spot? Pro-life means getting drunk and having fun?

 

Legislation.

 

Legislation concerning what ? Climate change?

 

Legislation concerning abortion. As I have already explained before (I will quote it):

Abortion has nothing to do with slavery. Slavery is dependent on legislation to be slavery (illegal slavery is an oxymoron), abortion isn't dependent on legislation (abortion is abortion regardless of the laws surrounding it). If you want to bring in legislation of abortion vs legislation of slavery, then fine, but you can't compare completely different terms (abortion and slavery) and pretend as if they are similar in some way that relates to your point.

 

You are correct: """Abortion has nothing to do with slavery."""

Please tell that to the "Pro-Lifers" like the OP who insist it does..... I have only said that the only relationship abortion has to slavery is that "Pro-Lifers" want women to be forced to give birth just like slave owners forced their slaves to give birth.

 

The parallels; the aborted are treated as property, not humans. Humans are charged and have due process prior to execution...unless a lynching or natural death intervenes. The aborted unborn are simply executed. Mother, when embracing abortion exercises complete power in the application of the final solution to her unborn son or daughter . The slave master exercised complete authority over the lives of his slaves.

 

The act of having an abortion is in no way related to property law applying to humans, false equivalency.
A person could have a slave because of property law (that is what makes slavery slavery), abortion can be done because of the necessary tools and skills to remove a fetus or embryo, notice the difference?

 

Slaves were (are) considered property. The unborn, when aborted, are treated as property.