Your Opinion, In 500 Words, What Happened To JFK?

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    And it comes with the added benefit of all bullets pulled from him being matched to the gun, the place and time of Oswald murdering Tippit fitting in perfectly with the path of guilt he followed from his flop house to the theater where he was arrested.
     
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    The Warren Commission claimed Lee Oswald performed an amazing act of marksmanship that NO ONE has ever been able to duplicate.
    https://www.giljesus.com/evidence-oswald-was-a--poor--shot.html
    No finger prints could be detected on the Manlicher-Carcano, according to the FBI, the rifle could not be fitted for a scope (at that time) and the last time anyone saw Lee fire a rifle was in 1959.

    So a terrible, barely competent shooter, using a junk WWI era surplus rifle, without a scope, and without having fired a gun in years
    is supposed to have fired three shots, in a highly compressed time frame (with the clunky bolt action rifle) that not even expert marksmen
    have been able to duplicate under similar circumstances.

    And you find the Warren Commission believable? I don't think so. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...AEC353052E1FEA2DFCE2AEC353052E1FEA2&FORM=VIRE
     
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    Ahh, the imposter theory.

    Did the theory sound as stupid in your head as it looks on the screen?

    Maybe Kennedy was an imposter too.
     
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    It's not nearly as stupid as the magic bullet, the lone nut story or any of the other
    Warren Commission fairy tales. But then you are impossibly ignorant when it comes to the issue, or you have the complete trust of a child
    waiting for Santa Claus in the commission's hoax. Either way you are blind to reality, willfully blind it looks like.

    The use of doubles and imposters were a staple of the art of clandestine intelligence. For instance have you ever seen an actual photo of
    "Lee Oswald" when he supposedly went to Mexico City to visit the Soviet embassy? http://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Photo_Surveillance_and_the_Mystery_Man.html

    I realize providing evidence to a dupe is pointless but the people who set up Oswald to take the fall for Kennedy's death made sure that someone went to Mexico City to make a very public show of his ("Oswald's") wish to reunite with Russia. http://22november1963.org.uk/a-little-incident-in-mexico-city
    Is it really stupid to assert Lee Harvey Oswald, who had been doubled and impersonated before, was set up again by a double when JD
    Tippit was shot to solidify the case against him the Warren Commission had cooked up? No, but don't worry.
    NO one can make you think about it.
     
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    You may be right; obviously you’re trying to impersonate someone who is educated; and failing miserably.

    So, just explain, is there an upward limit on how much insanity you’re going to evoke in your silly stories?

    Now we have imposters, for some reason, shooting a Dallas Police Officer. If we were to examine that bit of insanity just for a moment, the “rationale” was to supposedly make sure Oswald was seen on a path leading to the theater I suppose. I’m sure that will now change but in the link you cited in #302, Tippit was killed to lock Oswald into a time lime. Okay. So the conspirators decided that, instead of Oswald or the Martian they had beamed down from Andromeda to act as Oswald or whomever killing an unarmed woman or person on the street or do something plausible (if he had realized he was a patsy and was really trying to flee…carjack someone), the conspirators had Oswald/Fake Oswald/Little Green Man take on an armed person in the form of a cop. So critical to the plan was Tippit’s execution was that, if there had been another crime committed or someone just self-presented to the officer, Tippit could be called away to do something else. Put another way, as part of a conspiracy, having a cop play a role is a stupid idea.

    What is even more bizarre in your fanciful yarn of execution is that Oswald/Fake Oswald/Mork from Oak or whoever is playing Oswald was supposedly fingered by witnesses who were tied to Jack Ruby according to your link in #302. Again, I’m sure that will change pronto now that it’s stupidity is being called into question. Why not just have one of these witnesses be the target Oswald/Fake Oswald/E.T.? Chances are they wouldn’t be armed and able to shoot back…for one thing. For another thing, they could be much easier to control than an officer and much less likely to have something come up that draws them away from the all important 10th @ Patton location. Just one of the numerous holes in the story you’re trying to pawn off.

    One other thing, based on eye-witness testimony—your favorite sort of evidence—Mr. Frazier says that Oswald was carrying in a long brown package the morning of the assassination. Supposedly it carried curtain rods, according to Frazier’s testimony—that is what Oswald told him.

    Did they find the curtain rods in the TSBD?

    Please answer that question.
     
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    You aren't even trying to pretend you know the facts of this issue, ironically, but I shouldn't lower myself to your level of insults in place of knowledge.

    Says the
    guy who backs the story from the people that gave us the magic bullet and lone shooter.

    Time time?? Nice one, Typo Boy.

    :no: How childish are you, anyway? Is THIS how you dispute or disprove the evidence of Oswald doubles?


    Is this your proof? That you don't think it was wise to shoot Tippit to implicate Oswald?
    Your opinion isn't worth jack cheese!

    Tippit was seen by Oswald's land lady (he was identified by his squad car number....10) when he, Tippit, drove by and picked Oswald up giving him a ride to the theater. Tippit was ambushed and wouldn't be going anywhere after that! What can your point possibly be?

    You mean
    Ork? :roll:

    Your "brilliant"
    questioning of how reality actually played out, by substituting your own ideas how things should have gone doesn't really change a thing.
    Since we are asking questions, why didn't you think of that?

    Back to your passive-aggressive relationship to eyewitness testimony (sometimes it suits you when you need it to, sometimes it does not). I have no idea what happened to them. Check with the Warrens.

    But if you are waiting for the Warren Commission to account for them you have to realize you are depending on a white washing group of quislings who could not account for the Mauser rifle that was found when the police first got to the shooter's nest on the sixth floor of the depository.
    They cannot account for President Kennedy's brain (which would be an absolutely key bit of evidence showing the direction of the bullet
    that blew off the back of his skull....though that in itself is proof of a shot from the front).
    They cannot account for the limousine windshield with the bullet hole in it that was replaced after the shooting.
    They cannot account for the magic bullet that changed directions in mid air and smashed through the bones of JFK and John Connelly
    without any sign of damage to the bullet itself or loss of mass.
    They cannot account for the fact that Oswald, who was a horrible shot (by his commanding officer's own assessment), using an outdated bolt action piece of junk rifle without a scope, is supposed to have managed a bit of marksmanship from that sixth floor window that NO ONE in all the intervening years has been able to repeat.
    They cannot account for the fact that JFK's head wounds had been obscured and altered when his body, which had been illegally removed from the jurisdiction of Dallas, was taken to Bethesda, Maryland where a sham autopsy, overseen by a collection of generals
    and admirals, was performed by a doctor who had never done a single gun shot related autopsy in his entire life!

    Are you starting to get the message? And would you admit if you did? Probably not.
     
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    I’ve forgotten more facts than you ever knew. I will give you the edge on idiotic speculation….you have me cornered there; I applaud. LOL

    It was a stupid idea from any number of quarters. Chief of which is that a cop on a beat isn’t an autonomous character. If you’re in a conspiracy, you control the actors. Police officers—especially ones like Tippit who apparently was the only member of law enforcement that didn’t know about the conspiracy—are notoriously hard to control since he may see a crime in progress and go investigate; maybe actually giving a citizen a courtesy ride to the clinic or simply taking a piss break when he was supposed to be the central figure in the time of the century.

    If you’d pull your head out or your ass for .05 seconds and ask yourself who would be easier to mark for death, an armed cop or one of Jack Ruby’s stooges that were apparently “in on it” too…you’d have to agree with me. But of course, you are probably in up to your navel.

    The real oswald, the fake oswald or Mork from Oswald?

    The real land lady, the fake land lady or Land Lady from Ork?


    I know. But you have to spell it “you’re” if you want people to understand just how brilliant I am.

    Suits me fine when physical evidence backs it up. As it does in the case of JD Tippet.

    Nobody ever found them. Which means it was the rifle used to kill Kennedy that Frazier saw. I win. You lose. But then again, you’ve been a worthless loser your entire life. What is one more loss..eh?

    Quick, deflect to something else. Was it the real Frazier or the Fake Frazier?
     
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    You really don't and the fact that you buy all the bull **** the Warren Commission was selling demonstrates that!
    Only three groups of people buy the WC narrative: The mentally or emotionally defective, paid shills who defend a lie for a check and
    morons who don't really know anything about the Kool Aid they've been drinking at all.
    Which is it with you?


    So you don't like the way the plot worked itself out. Who the f*ck cares about you and your opinions? Certainly not the people
    who shot the president and then framed Oswald for it.
    Your drivel about why involve Tippit is fairly stupid because it assumes Tippit was in on things to that degree. He gave a lift to Oswald
    from his boarding house to the theater so even a half bright dimwit has to figure he wasn't involved to the degree you imply. Duh!


    "Your brilliant questioning"....LMFAO! Why the hell would I put an apostrophe in there? Man...you really showed me! (what a dim bulb you must be)


    Read the citation
    and get back to me.


    I'm going to forget your cheap insult because I realize you are tired of losing this fight and have to resort to name calling.
    Oswald's co-worker who gave him a ride to work that morning disputes Lee was carrying curtain rods and so did others. http://grandsubversion.com/jfkAssassination/jfk_assassination/lee_harvey_oswald/curtin_rod.htm

    You gave yourself away with your angry name calling. Not the sharpest thing you could have done.
     
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    I was working to prepare for an IG inspection of the Schweinfurt Army Airfield at the time so I know it was not me that shot any of the characters in this play. At the time, a Sgt happened to be listening to his radio and ran to tell us what happened. We were late in the evening though it was daytime in the USA.

    Frankly, I never had cause to think the Warren Commission pulled off a fraud. The conspiracy has to reach many levels deep for one to work.

    A guy I know that lives in TX went to that site. He informed me once he saw the site, he was persuaded Oswald did kill Kennedy. If the distance was 300 feet or less, an easy shot for regular sights on a military weapon.

    I have been to Kennedy's grave at Arlington and though his wife married a rich man, she is buried next to Kennedy.

    That might be a conspiracy as well.
     
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    You are officially exonerated.

    According to every opinion poll ever taken the American people don't think the Warren Commission pulled it off, either.
    All one has to do is look at the things that one knows to be true (like how a bullet travels and deforms upon hitting bone and
    how a bullet going through the skull and brain will leave a large exit wound) to see what they told the people is a lie.

    No one, even under the best of circumstances, has ever duplicated Oswald's supposed feat given all the conditions (as he was called a "terrible shot" by his commander and his clunky WWI relic rifle was not exactly state of the art...even in 1963).

    I doubt it.
     
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    Your link is the one who makes Tippit so important to the entire thing dick breath. Oswald killed him because he got in the way.
    Your link is the one who has Oswald having to kill Tippit to establish a path/timeline or whatever. The idiocy of giving their patsy an assignment of killing an armed cop is something you have to defend. Unless of course, you no longer believe your own link.
    Exposing your wholesale ignorance is no great feat.

    .

    Not according to his testimony (under oath) in the Clay Shaw Trial:

    Q: When you got into the automobile did you see anything in the automobile?
    A: He was outside the back door and we went to the car together. He got in the other side and I got in in the regular side the driver gets in. As I sat down I glanced over my shoulder and saw this package lying on the back seat. I asked him, I said, "What's that?" He said, "That's the curtain rods I told you about." I said, "Oh, yes." I didn't look at the package any more and I didn't think any more about it.
    Q: Prior to this on your trips from Irving, Texas to Dallas on Monday mornings had Lee Oswald taken a similar package with him to the School Book Depository?
    A: No, he had not.


    Again, do you get paid by the lie or by the amount of humor your lies generate?
     
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    I was in the Army as a 25 year old adult. Frankly this topic is not my type of topic. Most things that can be explained have been explained, not by posters, but by actual experts.

    Naturally not having a TV in Germany supplied by the Army, we had just radio and the occasional stars and stripes to read. I hear in the USA this was really extremely exposed to the public on both TV plus press. I have seen some thanks to the internet.

    For those not alive at the time, I keep wondering why the frenzy? For those then alive yet with a frenzy, I ask didn't you read up on the Warren Commission plus the hundreds of other conspiracy theories?

    This reminds me of the nuts who think Bush had the buildings dynamited on 911. They are crazy and need help.
     
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    Lee Oswald did not shoot Tippet. A double did. Witnesses identified the shooter as short and squat. Oswald was neither.

    And four cartridges were left at the scene, two Winchesters and two Remmingtons.
    The slugs found in Tippet? Three Winchesters and one Remmington, http://22november1963.org.uk/jim-garrison-officer-j-d-tippit
    Someone left some evidence behind to incriminate Oswald but couldn't even get that right. You can read more to see exactly why you don't know what's going on but of course I know you won't.

    By the way, you are cut off. Have fun.




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    Thanks.
    Your input is invaluable to future generations, I'm sure.
     
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    How do you know it was his double. Why not his triple?

    Amazing that the conspiracy whackjob community never got anywhere making such rock-solid, level-headed allegations such as that. LOL.
     
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    Thank you and I mean you only well and hearty meals and great friends.

    What you enjoy is your choice. Frankly, I won't deny the Warren report might be wrong. But I doubt he decided to fake it.
     
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