Bishop warns of new Islamic caliphate in Southeast Asia

Israel, land grab, never ending Palestine issues
Afghan War
Iraq War
A noticeable shift against the Islamic World
I think many Muslim regard the West somehow against them (if that makes sense)
And now with ever increasing populism such as Trump, Hanson, Abbott, Wilders, Le Pen and others matters will become worse....
Regards

 

Yeah, I understand that rationale. But it is not equivalent and we would certainly not tolerate similar views from a white Christian sect. We have been caught between protecting religious freedom and protecting other liberal ideals, and we need to de-prioritise religious freedom and promote secular liberalism.

Don't know. First generation are leaving something undesirable, so presumably they are critical on some level. 2G, I reckon their sensibilities have been mollycoddled by wider society and without good boundaries have gone off the deep end. We liberals dropped the ball, a little less understanding and a little more condemnation is needed.

 

Ooops try again

 

Yeah, it's certainly that media framing effect that has everyone up in arms. The attitudes by half wits based on media reports towards Muslims is absolutely atrocious. You are right, Hanson is a nutjob and it was Howard who allowed this witch's bigotry fester and destroy our societies fabric to a large degree. He could see political capital in that, or saw an advantage to open the doors to his deeper feelings and desires.

You cannot blindly persecute a group of people and expect passive response by all of them . Let's be bloody honest about these issues for once...gee!
Stop reading Murdoch newspapers and we will be half way to addressing issue.

 

Really??? Are you living in a bubble??? You are responding to a thread created from an article where Australia’s foreign minister has made certain observations to an international meeting of world leading powers to discuss ending the scourge of a terrorist organisations in the world. Does one really have to ask when you own government is speaking with the most powerful nations in the world, over the top of the most powerful nations in its region you want to demean the standing of your nation due to… What the particular party in government??? Or maybe just your hatred of a particular Australian prime minister??? Or could it be your hatred of who Australia is aligned with???


The fact you point out other nations you claim to be economically ahead and even in your later defence spending should speak volumes to your point of overestimation of standing in the region.

And just one more point on the denigration of Australia you launched, “What exactly gives us the right to throw our weight around?” SURVIVAL. Australia has ALL right to throw whatever weight around it needs to survive in the region it finds itself in. Australia has all right to fight for its own survival and has all right to stand up for what it thinks is right. YOUR own comment to supposedly stand for what is right in your eyes by demanding Australia remain acquiescent to the region is just foolish banter of the ignorant IN MY OPINION…

Oh I am sorry but clearly you missed the point again. ISIS may well be a very complexed group with a distinct agenda, BUT let us face fact here, YOU are not talking about defending against ISIS but radicalised returning terrorist fighters. Radicalised people are mindless to one cause and funny enough that is to kill people like YOU and ME because we stand for everything they hate. IT is just that simple…

Yes I see, it is nothing but the US fault. You are prepared to completely disown Australia’s involvement (not withstanding the partisan efforts) in creating the problem of terrorism throughout the world with “IT IS ALL THE US’s FAULT” nice hand pass there.

Really, you denigrate Australia and the people, then demand Australian’s are do what you expect them to all in the absence of a complete set of facts. You ignore some obvious facts to attempt to support your demeaning of the Australia and you want to pretend you a good person because you believe you are better than the nation you reside… Nice one there, one really has to wonder…


"sorry if that sounds harsh but it's the truth" Actually, it should read, sorry if that sounds harsh but it's your truth based upon the the limited facts YOU choose to accept...

 

spoke too soon cats

 

Outright disagree sorry Latherty. As per previous post, it is condemnation that destroys and that is what we've been getting since Iraq. If 1st generation Muslims have been living here peacefully for over a hundred years then it is nothing they have left. That is complete and utter BS as far as I'm concerned.

Condemnation entices rebellion. It never worked in any family setting, school setting or workplace I'm sorry.

 

Now I could go on, but let me point something the stupidity of the trolls seem to have missed.

First two pages spent launching attacks by trolls. I am not sure how anybody could be so stupid as to consider when told, the trolls are being baited that responding to this particular point it is not trolling... I do believe the point was made by the trolls themselves.
BUT let us not stop there, see the trolls try turn the thread away from the issues to religious discriminations...
Really, the only troll who appears to be smart enough not to make stupid comments is again providing nothing to the thread...

 

Thanks for creating thread Gazza, now move on if you can't contribute anything to it. You wanted to make it a gotcha threat "quite" obviously but it has been a thread of great discussion of getting down to nitty gritty and discussing real source of issue.

Now we have well reasoned that this whole saga was as a consequence of poor decisions on Howard's and Blair's and bush's part and the compounding issues associated with vilifying and demonising boat people, you have an opportunity add to the platform that has been established for further discussion.....if you like! Or you can keep playing with the "gotcha" game that this thread has moved beyond. Thanks in advance either way! : )

 

Again this was no gotcha game, in fact I stated precisely the point that should you revert to the shallow attempt to move discussion to the old "it was Howards fault" as you continue to do (plainly stated in the OP). BUT truly, now you want ot try and make it a religious discussions... IF you could get your head out of the sand and discuss the issue of radicalisation coming to Australia's shores then maybe you would be half way to comprehending the OP, but while you in the blame game mode wanting to cast dispersions on anybody you don't agree with, I prefer you would not respond.
You were owned by your own trolling and now you want to try pretend it was serious. Sorry, I just cannot take you seriously when you clearly have no idea what the premise of the thread is and continue to attempt to turn it into something you can demean...

 

Wow, just wow!

Because there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.

 

Garry the figures don't lie, you can prance around like a peacock all you like (or have small man's syndrome like Howard) but at the end of the day you're only as powerful as your GDP and your defense spending.

Also, please outline exactly how I demean Australia... because as far as I'm concerned you equate not overstating Australia's importance as demeaning.

You probably think you're some kind of superhero who lives in this super country Australia... tell me... do you also wear your underwear on the outside?

 

First of all, NO the nations GDP or defence spending does not depict anything of the sort. What depicts the power of a nation is its ability, not the size, not the individual wealth not even the size of the gun (you so clearly offer as some sort of attempt at insult) The fact of your figures demonstrating the power of the nation in the region falls considerably short when you actually see that the most powerful nation in the world is speaking with your government.

Secondly, you demean Australia by attempting to suggest the nation has no right to in the region it exists in and that it is insignificant on the global scale, as already stated.

So when all you can provide is a clear attempt to insult others for not simply kowtowing to your particular opinion perhaps for moral righteous belief you are the consummate humanitarian maybe just your so call superiority unfortunately, it shows not what you wish it too…

 

it's ability for what? I'ts ability to suck up to a superpower?

I never said size... I'm talking money.... remember the stuff that makes the world go round.

And military spending.... ever wonder why North Korea and Iran wants nukes so badly?

 

Well there we go, Money. Money is everything.

It is about ability to get things done, to influence and to simply consider situations. I know the ALP thinks money buys everything and I could equate your comment to many things but that is not true. MONEY does not buy ability, respect or much at all in the scheme of things. Money definitely does not denote power, what you do with money can denote power, but that is about it.

Sadly, when people try to equate money to power I shake my head, because it is clear you don't understand what power is. Don’t get me wrong, it is not an insult (or not intended anyway) but it is definitely the character trait of followers not leaders. I know that many are awestruck when meeting those who have had some luck to build wealth, or some sort of title which gives an allusion of power but that is not power.

Please, when you try to insult, try to understand what insults the person your aiming at. This is not one of them…

 

Thanks - Really no need to apologize, I appreciate your views.

I do disagree with you. We do need to be free to condemn behaviours, rather than people or religions. But if those errant behaviours are sanctioned by the religion, we must openly confront that, too.

 

sorry you must have edited your comment. Clearly all you want to do is spray your hate, not really worth discussing...

 

What Insult?

So you think we get things done and it makes us important

ok well what is China still doing in the South China Sea?

Oh I get it... we don't really mind China militarising the South China sea because if we did, we'd get right on it and they'd be on their merry way immediately because we're so efficient

You're full of **** <<< this was actually an insult....

 

Don't whinge to me about insults, you're a prizewinner when it comes to insults,

 

Well, doesn’t that beat all? Apparently if Australia does not do what YOU want it is not doing anything. Great use of blinkers there.

I do sort of wonder how you can comment on who does what in government when clearly you don't know. Apparently it all hinges on one thing, pleasing you...

Again, since it is nothing but hate you want to cast, discussion is pointless...

 

I am not whinging, I am simply pointing out the obvious. IF that insults you, not my problem...

 

Why don't you just explain to me how Australia the great accomplisher is going to remove China from the South China Sea....since we're such a heavy weight it shouldn't be too hard.

 

As stated not worth discussion, as clearly your comment shows the hatred you hold.

 

Wow, such amazing ways to show hatred