US led battle group deploys to Poland.

No, I expect from you and the other Russian Propaganda brainwashed people to stop telling BS and to blame any opponent as most as you can with total nonsense! Best example:

Are Neo-Nazis in Ukraine and are some militias Nazis? Yes they are!
But what do Russian trolls tell at least? Ukraine is a fascist country governed by Fascists and all who fight Donbass rebels are Nazis ... and of course was one idiot who told that there is no difference between Ukrainian Army and SS of Hitler!

So stop telling and blaming others who oppose you to be Nazis, particularly when you have your own big Nazi problem in Russia! How many of these Russian Nazi patriots fight as mercenaries in Donbass, eh?
Don't write, I know your answer right now and it is no one. Sure ... and true like 1+1=11!

 

Stalin was marked as dictator in Soviet Union before it's dissolution, his repressions recognised as crimes, as for Union itself - generally it was country as any other, with a not the most effective government, plenty of flaws, but some benefits too. It never was a 'paradise'. It was a country.

Just so you know a more or less common view on Union and Stalin from a real russian and not some 'vatnic' clown, as we call them - people who basically deny anything negative about our history or our present, equaling recognition of problems and mistakes to a treason. We always were able to see, when we have major problems, and solve them by ourselves. This is much more in our nature, that the sort of pseudo-patriotism that you mentioned.

Better, or not - USSR is dissoluted. We live in world of independent states now, making each our own decidions - but facing threat of the remaining - and exapnding - NATO.

 

"We"will fix it? What's the plan on Putin's part? Lemme guess he will invade, and you'll be on here spouting off its a "liberation", and the ukranians requested it somehow, isn't that how it works with the r russkis?

 

No, I will agree somewhat what you say, no paradise, but more like a prison?

 

Romanians are distant relatives of the Romans, present day Italians, they may observe Orthodox Xmas, but are not Slavs, like some pro Russians claimed here!

 

How about you stop measuring people by delusions and start looking at objective facts?

I say there are armed neo-nazy in Ukraine. I say they created coal blockade that violated Minsk agreements. I say ukrainian government should've subjugated them immediately. I say ukrainian government instead approved the blockade. I say ukrainian government received a manifesto from ultra-right groups. I say ukrainian government is not taking measures at preventing influence of these groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion#Neo-Nazi_ideology_and_symbols
https://www.ft.com/content/9fac31cc-0266-11e7-ace0-1ce02ef0def9
https://www.ft.com/content/276f3fd8-098c-11e7-ac5a-903b21361b43
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2017/03/16/7138320/
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/ukraine

I do not exuse anything with that, I do not say Ukraine is 'governed by fascists' - I present facts and demand them being taken into account when discussing situation in Ukraine.

 

???...

 

You twisted meaning of my statement and selectively rejected part of it, and ignored the presented source, and turned a historical note in cause of your anti-russian propaganda, and attempt to twist historic facts - while I clearly stated that I dislike when people try twisting historical facts. History is a science, it does not tolerates any sort of lie.

 

I have never denied that Ukraine has a nazi problem. And in contrast to some Russian claim, this fact is not the case that this fact is concealed in the Western Mainstream Media ... at least not in the German MSM for which I can only speak as a German.
Perhaps you do not personally say that the Ukraine is governed only by fascists, but you know for yourself that there are enough others who do that in this forum alone. These people will not be tired of posting the biggest nonsense of Ukrainian nazis as proof of their idiotic claims and that really bangs!
The fact is that I have always referred to the Okupation of the Crimea through Russia as OK, simply because it has always been Russian since the conquest under Peter the Great, and there mostly Russians live ... and because Sevastopol as the home town of the Russian Black Sea Fleet just as important Is like San Diego for the US Pacific Fleet! Just take realities and accept, this is what I do here!

 

OK, then you can this all explain some other Russians / Pro Russians in which I get in dispute here about right this when I denied that Stalin was a good man!

 

It's called 'vatnic'. These people are not a valid excuse to ignore reasonable statements from any citizen of my, or other country, that counter in some way the statements of USA media. I am glad to hear, that at least in Germany that issue recognized. I, again, do not claim ukrainian government being nazists - but the actions of neo-nazy in Ukraine and lack of government's responce to them badly damage that government's reputation.

The situation in Crimea is very complicated subject, I would absolutely love to discuss it - just as long as my words will not be getting automatically dismissed as 'propaganda', or as long as I will not be getting shut up by portions of various accusations towards Soviet Union or Russian Federation.

I sincerely can say, I am quite sure that NATO should be buried in same grave as USSR, and should've been buried at same day as USSR, and that it can be abused for sake of agressive conquest, that would be violating human rights. That does not means, though, that I will be ignoring questionable actions of members of our government. For example, I absolutely disapprove that we have the blasphemy laws. Our roads need to be made by global standarts, and conscription is, in my opinion, an ineffective insitute, prone to abuse in all sorts of ways. We do have problem - and we are solving them. But pressure, that our country receives, and the alienation and demonisation of our nation - reinforce the fears of invasion and global nuclear war, and reinforce the position of the dishonest and inadequate members of our government.

 

Well, first of all - Stalin's actions usually used to put a pressure on the modern day russians. Despite him being ethnic georgian, ex-criminal and not an elected by public, somehow we - citizens of Russian Federation - that been only part of the Union, I remind you - expected to be responsible for his repression - regardless of fact, that people of ethnics living in Russian Federation today - including ethnic russians - all have been exposed to these repressions and terror of the state.

As personally - Stalin was nor good, nor bad man - he was a human. His actions demonstrate certain deviations from adequate human behaviour, but due to lack of living, breathing Joseph Stalin we cannot say, if it was due to criminal intent, mental deviations or some other cause. Point - he was a human. Not a happy human, who lived in harsh time and likely had a harsh personality, who became a figure of power in revolutionary state, been surrounder by equally harsh people, who faced biggest war on the globe, lost his older son, died a painfull death and has his name condemned by history for the decidions that he made.
Decidions, I also remind, he was not the only one making, and was not executing himself, yet he blamed for majority of atrosities that happened in Soviet Union. I do not know, if this is just, or not - it takes time, lots of analysis and lots of thinking, to come with relatively clear idea, who is responsible for what event, and how much they are to blame.

It also matters to think, if it is worth blaming now. People never wanted a war, or conquest, or repressions or departations, or nuclear crisis - people wanted peace. Safety for their beloved. Happiness.

Same as ever, same as everyone.

We only need a true chance to make our future.

 

I do not know whether to laugh or pity you. You are reproach the USSR in that at the request of legally elected governments it helped to suppress the fascist coup d'état in Germany, Hungary and Czechoslovakia. Maybe you forgot that Germany and Hungary attacked the USSR? And the industry of Czechoslovakia ensured supply the Nazis military equipment?
It's amazing when the Germans, killed more than 27 million Russians, reproaches the Russians that they, at the request of a legally elected government, helped to eliminate the fascist mutiny.

 

So what? If 2,000 years ago Romans lived on Romanian territory, does this mean that their descendants now live there? It is not always so. For example. Tasmanians lived in Tasmania, then the British destroyed them all to one. Now there live representatives of other peoples. Another example - 2000 years ago in North America, the Indians lived, but now they can be entered in the Red Book. Now other nations live on this territory. And very rarely, one of them has the blood of a representative of Sioux or Magikan.

Just for sake of discussion being more accurate, and... It just hurts me to see that people may not be knowing something about logic and skipping opportunity to learn. I hope you understand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

 

Nothing. I just find you being reasonable person and thus found acceptable to provide you with more accurate data. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Would you consider its entry into, say, WWI and WWII to be "offensive" in nature?

Likewise, its part in the Korean War (which began when North Korea invaded South Korea)?

(By the way, the Mexican-American War ended in 1848--close to 170 years ago--and the US and Mexico are now good friends; and have been for a very long time. But perhaps you were unaware of that...)

 

You do not appear to really desire civil discourse--which is the only form of discussion that is of any interest to me--but, rather, you seem to want a sort of smashmouth politics.

Therefore, I think I will henceforth just ignore you...

 

I do not even understand what you mean by "Nicaragua and Honduras" and "Panama." (When did the US ever fight wars in these Central American countries?)

 

Congratulations with finding an excuse.

 

Hardly. These were global wars, and something more than just geopolitical influence was at stake.

You said that US never had offensive wars - I corrected you, AND do not ignore the regime changes in South America, as well as invasions in Middle East, pretty please.

 

Nicaragua / Honduras ... 1980's:
https://sites.dartmouth.edu/farris_lacs20_fa15/about-nicaragua/american-intervention/

In short: The people of Nicaragua were so evil impudent to kick out a bloody dictator which was backed by the USA in power with an revolution ... and then these rebels were also socialists? What a mess ... woops! The USA backed the counter rebels (Contra)

Panama 1989
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama

In short: Panama was governed by Noriega, a dictator and drug king scum ... but he was brought into power as dictator by the USA. His problem, he became unpopular to the Reagan administration and won't play further the puppet + being a clear drug cartel boss too. But no one would have cared really about in Washington, if ... yeah ... if there is not an unimportant channel going through this country Panama. This combination was the bad luck for Noriega...
But was the USA allowed to make the attack by any international law? No!

 

R O F L ....

You still believe the old propaganda BS told to back these 4 criminal acts of the USSR government?

And what the hack has the WW-2 and the German crimes to do with it? N O T H I N G !!!
Yes, there were 27 million or how many ever killed by Germans, sad and I never denied it etc. .. but sorry, so what? This has nothing to do with it!

Sorry, man, any discussion with you about this is superfluous and wasted time, when you blabber the old Soviet Propaganda BS and believe this nonsense as truth! And to say there were legally democratatic elected government existing is only impudent btw.... because the people choose the democratic legal right against them. And more as that: in 1968 was it the legally and even by USSR standard legally elected President who was thrown off from power by the USSR with the attack and so it was a coup of the USSR against a legal elected President!

 

Actually, the Sandinistas were socialists.

But where did you ever get the idea that the USA sent its own troops to Nicaragua, to fight there, anyway?

Your citing "international law"--as though that were of considerable importance to me--is a real non-starter. (I have much more respect for a roll of bathroom tissue than I have for "international law.")

 

Then I greatly recommend abstaining from political discussions and being closer to the bathroom tissues, than to voting booth.

Nihilism, such as this, is a dangerous state of mind, lack of councisness and is a fertile soil for commitment of the crimes. If you want to have a good illustration of subject, read the 'Crime and Punishment' by Dostoevsky, it has a very thoughtful depiction of why human society needs law, and why we should not violate it.